Consensus variation stats for paired end?

[astewart-twist]

Is it currently possible in pysamstats to generate consensus variation stats for paired end reads? As far as I can tell if a mismatch is on both reads for a given position, it gets counted twice.

[alimanfoo]

Hi Andrew, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017, Andrew Stewart [email protected] wrote:

Is it currently possible in pysamstats to generate consensus variation stats for paired end reads? As far as I can tell if a mismatch is on both reads for a given position, it gets counted twice.

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[astewart-twist]

Sure. As far as I can tell, it looks like pysamstats considers the same insertion/deletion/mismatch observed on both forward and reverse reads at the same position as 2 separate observations. For example, in the following alignment...

fwd: ====C====
rev: ====G====

ref: ACGTATGCA

...pysamstats would report:

• mismatches: 2
• mismatches_fwd: 1
• mismatches_rev: 1

Biologically, one might want to interpret this as a single event. I'm just wondering if there exists an option in pysamstats to do that.

[alimanfoo]

Hi Andrew, no there is no option currently to generate a consensus sequence from variation stats. The variation stats count the total number of reads supporting a mismatch, indel etc. at each base. Is it just a consensus sequence you'd like to generate?

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Andrew Stewart [email protected] wrote:

Sure. As far as I can tell, it looks like pysamstats considers the same insertion/deletion/mismatch observed on both forward and reverse reads at the same position as 2 separate observations. For example, in the following alignment...

fwd: ====C==== rev: ====G====

ref: ACGTATGCA

...pysamstats would report:

• mismatches: 2
• mismatches_fwd: 1
• mismatches_rev: 1

Biologically, one might want to interpret this as a single event. I'm just wondering if there exists an option in pysamstats to do that.

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[astewart-twist]

Not the consensus sequence, Alistair, just the consensus alignment stats. If you want to point to the relevant lines of code where something like that might best fit, I can try to take a stab at adding it as a new output (variation_consensus?).

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:58 AM Alistair Miles [email protected] wrote:

Hi Andrew, no there is no option currently to generate a consensus sequence from variation stats. The variation stats count the total number of reads supporting a mismatch, indel etc. at each base. Is it just a consensus sequence you'd like to generate?

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Andrew Stewart [email protected] wrote:

Sure. As far as I can tell, it looks like pysamstats considers the same insertion/deletion/mismatch observed on both forward and reverse reads at the same position as 2 separate observations. For example, in the following alignment...

fwd: ====C==== rev: ====G====

ref: ACGTATGCA

...pysamstats would report:

• mismatches: 2
• mismatches_fwd: 1
• mismatches_rev: 1

Biologically, one might want to interpret this as a single event. I'm just wondering if there exists an option in pysamstats to do that.

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[alimanfoo]

Hi Andrew,

Apologies, I am being dim and still not getting it. Could you walk me through a complete example? E.g., say a site has reference nucleotide "A", in the pileup there are 2 reads supporting the reference nucleotide, 3 reads supporting a mismatching nucleotide "C", 4 reads supporting a 2 bp insertion, and 5 reads supporting a 3 bp deletion (a bit crazy but not impossible). What would be the output from variation_consensus at this site?

The implementation of variation statistics starts from here: https://github.com/alimanfoo/pysamstats/blob/master/pysamstats.pyx#L684. Please feel free to submit a PR, and shout if you need any info on compiling or running the tests.

Cheers, Alistair

On Tuesday, January 31, 2017, Andrew Stewart [email protected] wrote:

Not the consensus sequence, Alistair, just the consensus alignment stats. If you want to point to the relevant lines of code where something like that might best fit, I can try to take a stab at adding it as a new output (variation_consensus?).

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:58 AM Alistair Miles <[email protected] javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:

Hi Andrew, no there is no option currently to generate a consensus sequence from variation stats. The variation stats count the total number of reads supporting a mismatch, indel etc. at each base. Is it just a consensus sequence you'd like to generate?

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Andrew Stewart < [email protected] javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:

Sure. As far as I can tell, it looks like pysamstats considers the same insertion/deletion/mismatch observed on both forward and reverse reads at the same position as 2 separate observations. For example, in the following alignment...

fwd: ====C==== rev: ====G====

ref: ACGTATGCA

...pysamstats would report:

• mismatches: 2
• mismatches_fwd: 1
• mismatches_rev: 1

Biologically, one might want to interpret this as a single event. I'm just wondering if there exists an option in pysamstats to do that.

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