Massive Lag & Corruption in Big Picture mode Under latest Nvidia Driver Works correctly under Gamescope - Repeat of #8918

[tlneondo]

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Your system information

• Steam client version (build number or date): Latest Stable as of 9/12/24, issue persists in Beta as well
• Distribution (e.g. Ubuntu): Fedora
• Opted into Steam client beta?: Yes, Does not make a difference
• Have you checked for system updates?: Yes
• Steam Logs: [ steam-logs.tar.gz ](url)
• GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 4070 Super

Steps for reproducing this issue:

1. Launch RPM Fusion Steam Package
2. Enter Big Picture mode
3. Observe Low framerate and corruption
4. Launch inside of gamescope, notice framerate is much much improved

Without Gamescope:

https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/6fdad3f1-e622-4d97-a74b-e0e6f1482e5b

With Gamescope:

https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/16a561ce-5b77-45e9-a67c-0c376626e5af

[CptCookies12]

I don't think this is a Nvidia specific issue, I'm also seeing a similar problem on an AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT on Fedora, except the non-Gamescope performance is drastically worse than your Nvidia footage is. RPM Fusion install, tried both beta and stable, and launching with Gamescope solves the performance issue. Rest of the desktop Steam client works fine otherwise.

Steam Version: 1726256783 OS: "Fedora Linux 40 (KDE Plasma)" (64 bit) Kernel Version: 6.10.9-200.fc40.x86_64 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 8-Core Processor Driver: AMD AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT (radeonsi, navi22, LLVM 18.1.6, DRM 3.57, 6.10.9-200.fc40.x86_64) Driver Version: 4.6 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 24.1.7 Logs here: logs.tar.gz

[Proxycon]

Can confirm, this also applies to AMD drivers. Performance in BigPicture is extremly poor, and Steam Client crashes when connecting for remote play. Streaming only works when a game is already running in fullscreen. But this issue may be unrelated, it just appeared simultaneously in my system.

Steam Beta Branch: Stable Client Steam Version: 1726256783 OS: Nobara Linux 40 (KDE Plasma) x86_64 Kernel: 6.10.7-200.fsync.fc40.x86_64 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (16) @ 4.550GHz GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT (radeonsi, navi22, LLVM 18.1.6, DRM 3.57, 6.10.7-200.fsync.fc40.x86_64 Driver: 4.6 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 24.2.1

[tnbp]

This also affects AMD systems. Running in Gamescope works fine here, as does Remote Play (even without Gamescope).

The difference in performance (some report 15 FPS, some 3 FPS) may stem from running Big Picture in different resolutions (it's much slower in 2160p than 1080p).

[davernos]

Same issue here.

Steam Beta Branch: Stable Client Steam Version: 1726256783 OS: Nobara Linux 40 (KDE Plasma) x86_64 Kernel: 6.10.2-200.fsync.fc40.x86_64 CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (12) @ 4.468GHz GPU: AMD ATI Radeon RX 7700 XT / 7800 XT

Before the update it ran fine.

[Bloodninj]

Also having this same issue on Ubuntu 24.04.1. I thought it was due to changing monitors and the previous one having a higher refresh rate. This is happening on Ubuntu too so maybe the Distro Family: Fedora tag should be removed?

Steam Beta Branch: Steam Beta Update Steam Version: 1726256783 OS: Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS Kernel: 6.8.0-44-generic x86_64 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X GPU: AMD Radeon 6700XT

System report

[davernos]

Also having this same issue on Ubuntu 24.04.1. I thought it was due to changing monitors and the previous one having a higher refresh rate. This is happening on Ubuntu too so maybe the Distro Family: Fedora tag should be removed?

Steam Beta Branch: Steam Beta Update Steam Version: 1726256783 OS: Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS Kernel: 6.8.0-44-generic x86_64 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X GPU: AMD Radeon 6700XT

System report

Probably. Also the title description should remove the mention to Nvidia. Let's see if we get more reports.

[tlneondo]

I'm surprised that AMD users are having issues. This was one of the big downgrades I had to deal with going from my 5700XT to my current 4070 Super. The 5700XT i have running in my GF's PC now and It's not showing any issues, meanwhile my 4070 Super has the issues as described in my post.

[tnbp]

Weirdly, I do not seem to have this problem if I launch steam with the -bigpicture (or -tenfoot) flag outright, regardless of whether or not I'm using gamescope. EDIT to clarify: The issue is still there (i.e. performance is awful if you open Steam first and then switch to Big Picture Mode), but it does not seem to occur if you launch Steam directly into BPM. (It will re-occur if you exit and re-enter BPM.)

[davernos]

Weirdly, I do not seem to have this problem if I launch steam with the -bigpicture (or -tenfoot) flag outright, regardless of whether or not I'm using gamescope.

Just tested it on my desktop and I can confirm the issue is gone, using the -bigpicture flag.

[dmitsuki]

Weirdly, I do not seem to have this problem if I launch steam with the -bigpicture (or -tenfoot) flag outright, regardless of whether or not I'm using gamescope. EDIT to clarify: The issue is still there (i.e. performance is awful if you open Steam first and then switch to Big Picture Mode), but it does not seem to occur if you launch Steam directly into BPM. (It will re-occur if you exit and re-enter BPM.)

I'm on a 6700 xt, and I experience this same behavior. It's laggy, unless I run it with the -bigpicture flag.

[99kennetn]

same experience here. It runs smooth when opened with -bigpicture, but begins to lag if exiting BPM and re-entering it, or having been in the normal launcher before entering BPM.

Kubuntu 24.04 (wayland) RX 7900 GRE i5-.8600K 32GB memory

As a maybe related side note, before upgrading to the AMD gpu a couple of months back, the launcher would tank performance in som games if it was open in the background. I had to minimize the window in order for it to not take the ressouces, here BPM correctly handled ressources when it was launching games. Before upgrading i had a 1070TI and 16GB memory, but same cpu.

[tlneondo]

Can confirm on my Nvidia Card that launching with the -bigpicture flag fixes performance. It does appear that the left side menu shows black before the Store,library, Media etc Panel slides into place, but the performance isn't unusable.

[Zolfbs]

I'm also having the same issue on Ubuntu 24.04.1 Valve finally fixed the "Steam is not responding" issue that kept happening, but now this new problem has come up. I tried disabling hardware acceleration and enabling/disabling the GPU blocklist, but unfortunately, nothing works, and I use an AMD CPU and GPU

[theLucasAntunes]

Having the same exact issue in Windows 11.

This is not Linux-related.

Tried in both the official version and Beta version, same issue.

[bradsevy]

Observing the same thing on Fedora 40.

Steam Beta Branch: Stable Client Steam Version: 1726604483 OS: Fedora Linux 40 (GNOME 46) x86_64 Kernel: Linux 6.10.11-200.fc40.x86_64 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (16) @ 3.80 GHz GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 Mesa 24.1.7

[Proxycon]

I want to add to my previous comment that the crashes in steam link streaming were caused by pipewire, so unrelated to this issue.

[XDM-Inc]

im having the same issue with my radeon 7900 XTX. it gets a super lag for some reason on first launch.(no visual glitches though) if i kill the overlay it will relaunch itself and fix the issue. my monitor is 2k resolution @170hz and my tv is 4k @ 120hz it lags worse on my tv

Fedora 40 (KDE edition) ryzen 5950x radeon 7900 XTX Mesa 24.1.7

[NakuKoro]

I'm also having the exact issue with my Radeon RX 7900 XTX

Nobara 40 Ryzen 9 7950x Radeon RX 7900 XTX Mesa 24.2.3

[NakuKoro]

I'm also having the exact issue with my Radeon RX 7900 XTX

Nobara 40 Ryzen 9 7950x Radeon RX 7900 XTX Mesa 24.2.3

My issue resolves itself when I launch steam gamepadui directly from the terminal (steam -gamepadui) but if I launch steam directly without -gamepadui and then launch gamepadui from the steam client the issue comes back. I think the reason why steam gamepadui doesn't lag with gamescope is because it's getting launched from the terminal with -gamepadui flag

[pfych]

Launching with -bigpicture fixes the issue but exiting back to normal view then returning to big picture causes the performance issues to return.

Steam Beta Branch: Stable Client Steam Version: 1726604483 OS: EndeavourOS Kernel: 6.11.3-arch1-1 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D GPU: AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Driver Version: 4.6 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 24.2.4-arch1.1

[Joseph-DiGiovanni]

Same results as above. Very low FPS unless I use -bigpicture. Seems to run much slower with larger resolutions indicating a hardware acceleration issue.

Steam Beta Branch: Stable Client Steam Version: 1726604483 OS: NixOS 24.05 Kernel: Linux 6.6.54 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT Driver Version: Mesa 24.0.7

[benleppke]

I can confirm the same behavior described here by others. Poor performance in Big Picture mode unless Steam is launched in Big Picture mode. I also notice transparency/layering issues with the left steam panel when having this performance problem.

I am using Gnome/Wayland.

Steam Beta Branch: Stable Client Steam Version: 1726604483 OS: Bazzite 40.20240930 Kernel: 6.9.12-205.fsync.fc40.x86_64 CPU: Intel i7-9700K GPU: Nvidia RTX 2080 Driver: NVIDIA 560.35.03

[DanMan]

FWIW, I can not confirm this on Fedora 40 and the NV 560.35.03 driver. The only thing that matters performance wise is, if I have enabled hw-accel in web views. It's noticeably slower without it.

But if I enable hw-accel, the videos in the store become awfully choppy and slow. So I have to keep it off, still. But that's clearly a different issue altogether.

That's all in the current stable version btw.

[perroboc]

Same thing happens in Fedora 40 (KDE) + AMD GPU. Logs: steam-logs.tar.gz

Happens on both flatpak and rpm fusion versions.

[InsaneCake]

Same issue. Starting with -bigpicture helps.

Steam Beta Branch: Stable Client Steam Version: 1726604483 OS: EndeavourOS Linux x86_64 Kernel: 6.11.4-zen2-1-zen DE: Plasma 6.2.1 (Wayland) CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X (24) @ 4.673GHz GPU: AMD ATI Radeon RX 7700 XT / 7800 XT

[everettperiman]

Launching with -bigpicture fixes the issue but exiting back to normal view then returning to big picture causes the performance issues to return.

Steam Beta Branch: Stable Client Steam Runtime Version: steam-runtime_0.20240806.97925 OS: Debian GNU/Linux trixie/sid x86_64 Kernel: 6.11.4-amd64 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT Driver Version: 4.6 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 24.2.4-1

[korewaChino]

I can also confirm. Happens too on Beta branch.

Operating System: Ultramarine Linux 41 KDE Plasma Version: 6.2.2 Kernel Version: 6.11.5-300.fc41.x86_64 (64-bit) Graphics Platform: Wayland Processors: 12 × AMD Ryzen 5 5600 6-Core Processor Memory: 15.5 GiB of RAM Graphics Processor: AMD Radeon RX 580 Series Steam Beta Branch: Steam Beta Update Steam Version: 1730253536 runtime-info.json

Seems like Steam for some reason reverts to Software rendering when switching from desktop to Big Picture.

[hardpenguin]

This also affects me for a long time.

I mostly use Big Picture for Remote Play on my TV. As a workaround I just set it to windowed and then Remote Play scales the Big Picture window to cover 100% of the screen.

And to me, the issue is not 100% gone when using -bigpicture option. The interface animations are still only like 80-90% fluent. I noticed that for it to work I need to obviously to enable GPU accelerated views but when I do that then the Big Picture intro video is laggy.

Running Big Picture with gamescope works like a charm though. Finally lightning fast interface animations just like on my Steam Deck! And it works with Remote Play as well. Great workaround!

Operating System: Debian Sid KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.11 Kernel Version: 6.11.4-amd64 Graphics Platform: X11 Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM Graphics Processor: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 Drivers: 535.183.06 Steam Beta Branch: Steam Beta Update Steam Version: 1730253536

[hardpenguin]

Quick update: the problem is that GPU accelerated views perform REALLY bad in the desktop mode of the client. I prefer to keep them disabled. So to get best smooth Big Picture experience I need to:

1. Turn on GPU accelerated views
2. Turn off Steam client
3. Turn on Gamescope
4. Turn back on Steam client (either in desktop then click BPM button or in Big Picture mode directly)

...and when I want to get back to best smooth desktop experience I need to perform these steps in reverse.

Not ideal!

[perroboc]

Same behaviour on Flatpak version: launching with -gamepadui makes everything work as expected. But upon exit I encounter #9565, and launching Big Picture Mode from this window makes this issue (#11255) happen again.

Launching Steam with -gamepadui from terminal:

flatpak run --branch=stable --arch=x86_64 --command=/app/bin/steam --file-forwarding com.valvesoftware.Steam -gamepadui

Steam version:

Steam Beta Branch:  Steam Beta Update
Steam Version:  1730253536
Steam Client Build Date:  Tue, Oct 29 10:27 PM UTC -04:00
Steam Web Build Date:  Tue, Oct 29 10:01 PM UTC -04:00
Steam API Version:  SteamClient021