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[TF2] Players can bypass equip region restrictions using the +quickswitch command.
The quickswitch menu does not check for equip region conflicts on some cosmetics. Using the quickswitch menu allows players to equip cosmetics that would normally conflict. This happens with cosmetics with the whole_head equip region.
Steps to reproduce:
- Open the quickswitch menu using +quickswitch
- Equip a whole_head cosmetic that would normally conflict.
Yes, this bug exists, I have just found this one in a MvM match:
It's using 2 full-head cosmetics at the same time.
Proposed fix: remove conflict between whole head and hats (cant remember actual region name if that's not correct) in schema.
Instead of fixing this bug, equip region restrictions should be loosened further to be less draconian. There are a few perfectly fine item combinations in the game that don't work together for literally zero reason other than region conflicts.
Removing this undocumented feature will negatively affect in-game economy. Please fix it :+1:
Yes, this bug exists, I have just found this one in a MvM match: It's using 2 full-head cosmetics at the same time.
This isn't very well known about. What you probably ended up taking a picture of is a cheater who disabled equip regions on their client, which is way more common.
There is no reason for this to be fixed, and this would ruin a huge part of tf2's economy. The only people that have a problem with quickswitch miscs are either too poor to afford good hats in general or so obscenely rich that they can buy all-class ones. This "feature" literally has no impact on the game, and I personally believe the criteria for what makes a "misc" a "misc" should be a lot more relaxed. There are tons of hats for Engineer that clip a lot less than the Brainiac Hairpiece, yet they're still considered hats. (i.e. Professor's Peculiarity, Peacenik's Ponytail, Big Country, etc.)
I personally think that equip region restrictions should be way more relaxed. There's a ton of cosmetic combinations that don't clip with one another, yet are restricted due to equip regions being too strict.
@Archetexture None of those cosmetics use the whole_head equip region and they should not be affected by this fix. Feel free to submit a new issue addressing the images you have just posted. Thanks!
@gurfan I am also making a point that doing this would NEGATIVELY impact the in-game economy. AFAIK, updates to equip regions have only made specific cosmetics go up in price, not down. This would cause a huge crash, and that should be taken into account when considering a "fix" of this magnitude.
I completely agree with Archetexture here. Valve hired these people to fix bugs that are negatively affecting the game. But I'm sure Valve would prefer to keep making as much money as possible with these bug fixes as that's kinda the whole point in hiring them - making sure people keep playing the game and enjoying it. Removing what is basically a feature at this point that gives certain cosmetics more value would definitely do more harm than good to Valve and the game, especially since nobody is negatively effected by this bug remaining. If anything, I think jh34ghu43gu is on the right track with removing the conflict outright or reducing restrictions outright.
Great work everyone! The for-hire programmers tasked with fixing some of the bugs and exploits reported here will end up confused by the discourse in this thread and leave quickswitchable miscs alone as they do not want to deal with opening Pandora's Box.
Holy shit the amount of negativity on this. @kisak-valve please ignore the nonsensical replies about "muh economy", this is a bug and as such should be fixed.
Equip regions were added for a reason and quickswitch not respecting that was unintended from the start.
@TF2CutContentWiki That's what someone who has nothing invested in the market would say. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it wouldn't affect thousands of others. Quit being selfish, and look at it from someone else's perspective. Yeah, I happen to have an expensive quickswitch item, but bias aside, this would be incredibly stupid. No amount of issue reports will make you right about this. This oversight hurts nobody, and it does not affect gameplay in the slightest. Reverting it will only cause backlash. These contractors were hired to get rid of bugs that were either "quality of life" improvements or serious, game-breaking issues.
this is a bug and as such should be fixed.
IMO not a good reason on its own, especially in a game like tf2 where bugs created many staples of the game.
Also, THIS is the reason why giving tf2 to the community is a horrible idea. The community admins would not be fair, and would only make decisions on their own beliefs, not the overall community's. Valve may be incompetent, but they really try to levy their decisions based on community reactions to changes they make. People like you only seem to care about themselves.
I don't see the problem here aside from some users deciding that the valuation of some items should be dependent on what's clearly a bug. Ideally this should be fixed like any other issue on this board, just like the Iron Bomber's projectile size.
I don't see the problem here aside from some users deciding that the valuation of some items should be dependent on what's clearly a bug.
I think fixing this now after its had years to become an ingrained feature within the trading community would imply all the other weird glitched items are no longer "off limits" of being reverted to their "proper" state. No this isn't a 100% fair comparison, but neither is the iron bomber one you made because a projectile hitbox affects gameplay; clipping hats does not (any head-visibility affects would exist regardless of this bug existing because the whole head covers it regardless of what it's clipping with).
IMO this change only has negative consequences; on the trading scene by devaluing a subset of items, and additionally decreasing creative freedom when designing players' loadouts. If you are trying to "save the art style" by preventing clipping you should have made this issue back in 2013 because there really isn't an art style left to save. I've already said why I think "fixing bugs because they're a bug" is a dumb reason. I have yet to see a loadout that abuses this bug to created a harder to see player head/hitbox that a regular loadout wouldn't also create. My original reply was meant to be a joke before I left for work but after writing this out I actually think it'd probably be the only good "fix" for this since it wouldn't hide these cosmetic combos behind an arbitrary setup&command for the lay-player.
And before anyone calls me a QS shill I don't own any, or if I do it's unknowingly and I don't actively have them equipped because I use a real misc for my double unusual combos :sunglasses:
It should be fixed precisely because it hurts traders. Please get your money up and buy real miscs.
I don't really see what all this ruckus is about. A bug is a bug and should be fixed. If it was meant to be a feature, equip regions would not have been added to the game in the first place. You could make the argument that some equip regions are nonsensical but that is a completely separate issue.
Also, if you invest your money in a game with the only security being the existence of a bug and that bug ends up being fixed, that is really your own fault.
I don't really see what all this ruckus is about. A bug is a bug and should be fixed. If it was meant to be a feature, equip regions would not have been added to the game in the first place. You could make the argument that some equip regions are nonsensical but that is a completely separate issue.
Also, if you invest your money in a game with the only security being the existence of a bug and that bug ends up being fixed, that is really your own fault.
Well, to be fair, It took high end traders about a year to "inflate" the prices of the unusuals in question, so they don't want it to be fixed or they are losing money. I don't think you should take the "economy" into consideration, when it comes to actual bugs. As for someone who owns one of those unusual hats, I don't mind this being fixed, as It's an actual bug. In short, to all the people crying economy here, stop being greedy. This is a bug and It should be fixed.
@matty4kek I am not being greedy. I have no intention on selling the items I bought. I bought them to keep because I like the combinations I wear and want those to remain possible. Some of the combos I have just aren't possible with what's in the game. That being said, a big part of what's keeping this game alive is its very active trading community. It's also one of the biggest money makers for this game for valve. Those crates that collect dust in most people's inventories are being released for one major reason. The chance of an unusual being dropped. Same thing with old unusuals in circulation. Keys are constantly being bought to buy those desired expensive unusuals. At the end of the day, valve very much cares that the game stay profitable. Otherwise they wouldn't have fixed the Crate Depression issue and would've let old God tiers plummet in price. Either leave the bug be or remove the conflict from the items imo. There's more than one way to fix this issue and it could he as easy as "fix the glitch and make all whole heads miscs."
@Fonteu Demoman doesn't have a misc, and most good ones are locked in trader/collector backpacks.
@matty4kek Let me guess, you're a "tax the rich" guy.
Sorry, I don't understand what that means or has anything to do with TF2 or TF2 bug fixing/reporting.
@matty4kek For some reason, you want to punish people that are making more money than you. Gee, I wonder how that correlates to my previous comment.
@matty4kek For some reason, you want to punish people that are making more money than you. Gee, I wonder how that correlates to my previous comment.
Sorry, I'm just interested in bug reporting, If that in some way hurt your feelings, I did not mean to do that.
I agree with the sentiments of Rabscootle and Mikusch, bugs should be fixed. I do agree that there are many nonsensical equip region conflicts (both ways) that should be addressed indeed. But keeping a bug in because some people are hurt more by fixing it than others seems silly to me. Like Mikusch said, if you invest into items based on a bug, that's on you.
Also mind the rules guys, keep it simple and polite here. We are just here to objectively report on bugs and discuss them in a civilized manner if need-be, nothing more.
Except this "bug" has been in the game since 2013, and it only serves to hurt people that own these items. If this was something that was relatively recent, and it had no time to ingrain itself in the trading scene, I would feel differently, but for many years this was thought to be a feature that was left ignored for a reason. I never thought I would be defending profit traders, but here I am; I have found people that are even worse human beings.