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move sof pasuq "colon" outside qere brackets

Open bdenckla opened this issue 4 years ago • 3 comments

It seems to me that the colon-like character known in Unicode as sof pasuq does not belong in qere brackets.

Yes, this is the way the original UXLC (tanach.us) sources encode the text. I.e. they encode the text with the sof pasuq inside the q tag. And yes this is even the way they present the sof pasuq. (I.e. they color it blue.) But that doesn't mean their presentation is the best, or the best for Sefaria.

For example in Exodus 37:8.

But of course it may occur elsewhere. Probably wherever a verse ends with a qere word.

bdenckla avatar May 15 '20 18:05 bdenckla

@bdenckla thanks! We're reviewing this now.

JonMosenkis avatar May 17 '20 07:05 JonMosenkis

Hi!

Are you referring to the cantillation mark "sof-pasuq" or to the stylistic choice of a colon to end a verse?

With regards to the colon, that wouldn't necessarily appear in a torah scroll either, but we absolutely agree. We'll review.

With regards to the cantillation mark: qere is not meant to denote things you wouldn't find in a torah scroll. It is a historically variant system of reading certain words (that developed for many different reasons for each word). A torah scroll would neither include those nor any cantillation markings. When displaying the pointed biblical Hebrew text of the Bible, we made the choice at Sefaria to follow the principal that the placement of vowels and cantillation markings should be on the text that is meant to be "read aloud". So this was deliberate on our part.

edamboritz avatar May 18 '20 14:05 edamboritz

Sorry, I should have been clearer since what mark is meant by "sof pasuq" is somewhat ambiguous.

I mean the colon-like (though not literally Unicode colon!) mark.

I try to use siluq when I mean the under-character vertical line known as meteg in other contexts. But many people refer to siluq as sof pasuq, hence the ambiguity.

I have edited my original comment/issue description to make this clearer. I have also removed the assertion that sof pasuq would appear in a sefer torah since as you point out that might not be true. And anyway it wasn't really a relevant point.

bdenckla avatar May 18 '20 14:05 bdenckla