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Lexicon-Concordance Online Bible

Open DavidHaslam opened this issue 1 year ago • 4 comments

Just to draw your attention to something useful that I found online.

Lexicon-Concordance Online Bible

Might be useful to cross-check STEPBible Data with this resource, especially for any new queries.

DavidHaslam avatar Feb 08 '25 10:02 DavidHaslam

Thanks David

I looked at a sample entry: http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/7875.html At first glance this looks fuller than the entry at www.stepbible.org/?q=strong=H7875 But actually, when I look at it, this is merely Strongs+Online Bible abbreviated BDB (which we use with permission), and NAS's abbreviated Strongs.

I had a look at a sample Greek entry at http://lexiconcordance.com/greek/1237.html I was looking forward to seeing Thayer's which would be good, if it was being offered as open source. Unfortunately their "Thayers" is the Online Bible abbreviated lexicon, which isn't nearly as good as their Hebrew one. And I suspect this is being used without permission.

It might be useful to get permission to use Thayers from Biblesoft who did the transcription. For this word it has

διαδέχομαι: 1 aorist διεδεξάμην; properly, to receive through another anything left or bequeathed by him, to receive in succession, receive in turn, succeed to: τὴν σκηνήν, the tabernacle, Acts 7:45 https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/act/7/45/s_1025045. (τὴν ἀρχήν, τὴν βασιλείαν, etc., in Polybius, Diodorus, Josephus, others) [Cf. δέχομαι.]

However, the entry at www.stepbible.org/?q=strong=G1237 says this and more, so perhaps Thayers would be duplication.

David IB

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Just to draw your attention to something useful that I found online.

Lexicon-Concordance Online Bible http://lexiconcordance.com/

Might be useful to cross-check STEPBible Data with this resource, especially for any new queries.

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DavidIB avatar Feb 08 '25 12:02 DavidIB

Thanks David,

One other thing about it struck me. In the table at http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/ column 3 is for Pronunciation.

There's nothing in the OSIS Reference that defines suitable markup for defining pronunciations! Perhaps there ought to be?

See also https://wiki.crosswire.org/Talk:CrossWire_KJV#Pronunciation_help_for_KJV_proper_names

David H

DavidHaslam avatar Feb 08 '25 13:02 DavidHaslam

The STEPBible transliteration attempts to combine readability with the vocalisation. Are there words where you see this failing? Actually, I can't really understand the pronunciations being suggested. The first two are: #0002 אָב 'ab {awb} #0002 אַב 'ab {ab} But surely, any Jew would pronounce both of those "av".

David IB

On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 1:26 PM David Frank Haslam @.***> wrote:

Thanks David,

One other thing about it struck me. In the table at http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/ column 3 is for Pronunciation.

There's nothing in the OSIS Reference that defines suitable markup for defining pronunciations! Perhaps there ought to be?

See also https://wiki.crosswire.org/Talk:CrossWire_KJV#Pronunciation_help_for_KJV_proper_names

David H

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DavidIB avatar Feb 08 '25 21:02 DavidIB

Yep! They struck me as odd too!

My main point was that (other than transliterations) the OSIS Reference makes no provision for pronunciation markup, per se.

This reminds me of a humorous aside I heard in a sermon c.1965...

Q. What's the right way to pronounce 'Baal' ? A. Just imagine how a Glaswegian says 'bottle' !

DavidHaslam avatar Feb 09 '25 08:02 DavidHaslam