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Insert fuel/ammo in trains, tanks, cars, turrets etc. from the players inventory after they are placed.
What kind of fuel? Wooden poles and chests? Should we use best fuel or worst fuel order ?
Ammo should we take from player gun if not enough?
On Sep 28, 2017, at 09:43, Valansch [email protected] wrote:
Insert fuel/ammo in trains, tanks, cars, turrets etc. from the players inventory after they are placed.
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I think half a stack of the best fuel or ammo in the inventory would be a good idea. We should not take from the players ammo belt. Factorio handles the inventory seperately from ammo and tool belt to thats not a problem. I also think we should exclude poles and chests :D
So Fuel order -- Rocket Fuel, Solid Fuel, Coal, Raw Wood Ammo Order -- Uranium, Armor Piercing, Firearm Flamethrower ammo Explosive Uranium Cannon, Uranium Cannon shells, Explosive Cannon, Cannon shells
For reference: https://github.com/3RaGaming/3Ra-Enhanced-Vanilla/blob/master/autofill.lua https://github.com/3RaGaming/3Ra-Enhanced-Vanilla/blob/master/autofill_loader.lua https://gitlab.com/FishBus/factorio_modpack1/tree/master/fill4me Fishbus has modified this to run with a GUI button toggle. Vertorio uses the Fishbus version. I suspect if we talk to Kovus they would be willing to hook us up.
I feel that auto-fill for turrets is too strong, which is why I haven't added this feature in the past. I have no objections to auto-fill for fuel, but it seems minor. Thoughts on balance / whether auto-fill for turrets on some maps might be ok?
I'm confused your first sentence says having auto-fill for locomotives would be amazing, then you your last says 'Cars, tanks, and trains being auto-filled wouldn't be great.'
I wrote that too quickly on my phone. I rewrote the whole thing to be a lot more coherent.
tl;dr Locomotives being auto-filled would be great for quality of life, but I don't think it's necessary or practical for anything else.
I dislike auto-filling furnaces + boiler since it takes the wood from your inventory in the early game and because furnaces and boilers almost always have a system to feed them fuel anyway.
Auto-fill for turrets is great for setting up defenses quickly as you do not have to deal with loading the appropriate amount of ammo in each. But when used offensively it's overpowered since it allows a user to spam a bunch of turrets which are all instantly combat-ready. To combat using them offensively we could check for biters in range of the placed turret, but at that point I think communicating that functionality to players would ultimately prove a major problem.
Locomotives having fuel auto-filled is an amazing quality of life feature with next to no balance impact. It's great for those setting up production trains as well as those just taking a quick shuttle somewhere.
I'm conflicted about cars and tanks. It would be a nice quality of life feature to have them auto-filled but the argument could be made that it would allow a user to essentially have a fleet of vehicles in their inventory and fight non-stop with little to no risk.
Is this still something we'd like to implement? Sounds like only locomotives would benefit from this greatly. Would this feature be worth quickly inserting a stack of fuel? It sounds more complex than worth it. What fuel to take? Wood? Coal? Nuclear? What about wooden boards? Power poles?
It's something that would be nice to have but it's such a low priority that it's doubtful it'll ever get done.
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 06:14 Lynn [email protected] wrote:
Is this still something we'd like to implement? Sounds like only locomotives would benefit from this greatly. Would this feature be worth quickly inserting a stack of fuel? It sounds more complex than worth it. What fuel to take? Wood? Coal? Nuclear? What about wooden boards? Power poles?
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I dont think its too complex, its pretty simple. It's just that nobody really has gotten around to doing it :P Its not just trains but also furnaces.
I've actually always hated when furnaces get auto-filled since it takes your wood early-game. So I think if we to furnaces we need a toggle for the whole thing.
Perhaps we can create a user setting GUI to enable/disable these things? Would work cross-server with grilledham's new server system
Aside from locomotives this feels a bit cheaty IMO - maybe as a one time perk you can buy from market?
Is anyone interested in taking on the implementation of this feature? If nobody wants to assign this to themselves I will close this under “will not implement”.
If it's truly wanted, I could implement it. But I'd say I'm not sure about the usages. It's a minor QoL improvement for spawning vehicles with fuel already inserted, but the rest I don't really feel the same about.
If I where to make it I'd do the following for trains, cars and tanks: Find the players best available fuel -> Insert up-to one stack (Maybe two for nuclear fuel)
For furnaces we couldn't insert a full stack since you'd normally be laying down a ton of furnaces at a time. The player would simply run out of fuel multiple times. The solution could be to only insert 1/5 of a stack.
Implementation wise I'd skip all wood fuels since there's quite a bit. Coal -> Solid Fuel -> Rocket Fuel -> Nuclear Fuel
If autofill for turrets where to happen I'd just limit it to 10 magazines. This would give the player enough time to refill it, without draining their inventory. They could always do CTRL + Right Click to will it afterwards if they have plenty of ammo.
I'd not add any gui to control it, only a command to toggle it.
We could lock it behind a research like automation 2 or buying from the market
I personally only see the train as being both practical and not breaking balance. I could go along with the car and tank as the gameplay impact is negligible.
I personally find furnace auto-filling annoying since fuel to them is automated. Turret auto-filling wrecks balance.
I don't think it breaks balance. Yes it makes it easier, but we are using a lot of tools to make the game harder aswell. For me auto insert into turrets just removes some frustration from the game. I could do the same with a macro. If you find it makes the game to easy just buff the biters :P
having seen a streamer play with an auto-fill mod on turrets in crash site, I would say it DEFINITELY has an effect on balance.
#952 added autofill for turrets, with the trade off that turrets take time before they become activated.
I don't know if we want to add more types of atuofill, like fuel for vehicles / furnaces?
#952 added autofill for turret ammo, with a delay. Do we want to add autofill for fuel as well?