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[Feature] DLC Exclusive Items

Open TheNasbit opened this issue 1 year ago • 51 comments

Mark Items as DLC Exclusive (and what DLC they are from) and an option to filter DLC Exclusive items.

TheNasbit avatar May 01 '24 02:05 TheNasbit

Is there a list anywhere which show which are which? IMO some items added in a DLC might not be DLC exclusive, so might be challenging to get this info. For example Legacy Protocol amulet was added in DLC1. Is it DLC1 exclusive? How do we find out?

AndrewSav avatar May 01 '24 09:05 AndrewSav

Have no idea yet. It was an thought when i saw an banner in wiki. Screenshot_20240501-160819.jpg

But afaik are items are not generated in YOUR world if you dont own an DLC, BUT you are able to get the items from worlds of other players. But can't say for sure. Would need confirmation of an person that do not own the DLCs

TheNasbit avatar May 01 '24 14:05 TheNasbit

I do not own the DLC's and will be able to test this.

What do you need?

razeedazee avatar May 01 '24 22:05 razeedazee

I do not own the DLC's and will be able to test this.

What do you need?

Information if any DLC items that are random drops on other worlds will generated for you. So can you find any DLC Item when you're playing on your world (not joining others in multiplayer)

Taking N'Erud as example: Finding any of the following:

And one example of Losomn:

TheNasbit avatar May 01 '24 22:05 TheNasbit

Also would be good to confirm if you can get any of those in multiplayer

AndrewSav avatar May 02 '24 00:05 AndrewSav

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Legacy Protocol

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razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 08:05 razeedazee

Power complex

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razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 09:05 razeedazee

Whats about Magnifying Glass on Losomn, because there BOTH wikis state that its exclusive to the DLC.

TheNasbit avatar May 02 '24 09:05 TheNasbit

I am not seeing any TFK items in RSG, just the TAK stuff,

Legacy Protocol (TAK) YES Power Complex (TAK) YES A'taerii Booster (TAK) YES Zero Divide (TFK) NO Closed Loop (TFK) NO Ring of Ordnance (TFK) NO Magnifying Glass (TFK) NO

Would i see it in RSG if it was there? I have rerolled adventure mode a good few times and not seen the Magnifying Glass

razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 09:05 razeedazee

Would i see it in RSG if it was there? I have rerolled adventure mode a good few times and not seen the Magnifying Glass

For DLC2 - sadly not yet - Not without the new update. After the update, yes.

TheNasbit avatar May 02 '24 11:05 TheNasbit

But if I see correctly: Random DLC Item Drops are generated even without the DLC. You just get locked out from the DLC-Story-Lines? So would still a good idea to mark/filter DLC items in missing Item Tab. So people know what they can obtain with the DLCs they own.

TheNasbit avatar May 02 '24 13:05 TheNasbit

I was doing targeted runs for the items shown in RSG, I'll have to do a full tour to see if the TFK drops are there. I'll do that in a bit.

razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 14:05 razeedazee

Zero Divide - TFK

So I found this in N'Erud. Are there any specific restricted items? I have not seen any warnings or limitations on these items so far.

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razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 15:05 razeedazee

I assume the DLC exclusive items must be those locked behind DLC content, like storylines, bosses and stuff. The rest appear to be linked to a game update more than the dlc itself?

razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 15:05 razeedazee

I assume the DLC exclusive items must be those locked behind DLC content, like storylines, bosses and stuff. The rest appear to be linked to a game update more than the dlc itself?

Yeah - I guess. Thanks for testing.

TheNasbit avatar May 02 '24 15:05 TheNasbit

I think if i carried on rolling, I'd find any item that is listed as random area spawn on the wiki. The ones that are in specific locations , in certain areas, but random per roll, essentially found via exploration or content that was introduced via update which may have been bundled with the DLC. I am not aware of any new non random content though apart from things like Dwells new items.

The ones I won't see are will be in DLC area injectables/areas and the other stuff already mentioned.

AFK, the wiki stuff is datamined so maybe anything listed like

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razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 16:05 razeedazee

Ring of Ordnance

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Fextra is trash

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razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 19:05 razeedazee

For the items that do not spawn randomly at least for DLC1 we have this bit of evidence:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/remnant-2/dlc-play-without-buying#:~:text=%E2%80%9CJoin%20DLC%20owners'%20games%20in,up%20a%20copy%20for%20yourself.%E2%80%9D

It says that you cannot "use any DLC-related items that you acquire" what ever it means. It implies thought that as far as RSG is concerned you still can get them.

So would still a good idea to mark/filter DLC items in missing Item Tab.

What would be the advantage of filtering them out in missing Item Tab if they can be acquired both with and without DLC?

So people know what they can obtain with the DLCs they own.

I think the answer is the same regardless of the DLCs they own - random drops they will find in their own world, and story items they can find in the multiplayer is this wrong? I mean I'm all for new features, just trying to understand when/how it's useful.

AndrewSav avatar May 02 '24 23:05 AndrewSav

From my point of view, many of these items are base game items, the ones I can collect with no warning. They were just bundled with DLC but are base game updates. I don't think they should be classified as DLC.

The items that are strictly limited to DLC with warnings, you won't see in your RSG anyway as you don't have the DLC. RSG is always relevant to my local experience?

Maybe they can have some special attention but really you have two categories of items here, base game and unique DLC.

razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 23:05 razeedazee

The items that are strictly limited to DLC with warnings, you won't see in your RSG anyway

I think that @TheNasbit point is that you will see them on the missing items tab

AndrewSav avatar May 02 '24 23:05 AndrewSav

Yeah, i don't think it would be bad if there was some contextual awareness about which DLC those specific items belong to, the rest are just normal base game items.

I would find that helpful. Just not needed for the base game items.

razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 23:05 razeedazee

Now the problem with that is it's not clear which is which in an absence of a good data source. For example Ring of Ordnance looks like this in your save: /Game/World_DLC2/Items/Trinkets/Rings/RingOfOrdnance/Ring_RingOfOrdnance.Ring_RingOfOrdnance_C So it is associated with World_DLC2 and yet, you can (apparently) get it and use it without.

AndrewSav avatar May 02 '24 23:05 AndrewSav

But i don't have the DLC so it's a base game item that came with an update.

Do the unique/restricted DLC items have a special/different path?

razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 23:05 razeedazee

would providing a profile/save game help btw?

razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 23:05 razeedazee

But i don't have the DLC so it's a base game item that came with an update.

I have a suspicion that the game files are (mostly) the same with and without DLCs, or you would not be able to join a multiplayer game with DLC so all resources must be there in your non-DLC copy. It's just a switch somewhere indicating if you made the DLC purchase or not. So in this sense it's a DLC item they decided that non-DLC owners have access to. And we do not seem to have a way to tell those from the others that cannot be accessed.

AndrewSav avatar May 02 '24 23:05 AndrewSav

One limitation is the area/injectable? So far any item spawning in the base game world areas is not restricted. I figure these are the base game items?

razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 23:05 razeedazee

One limitation is the area/injectable?

Yes, but that only affects your ability to acquire it, not your ability to use it?

AndrewSav avatar May 02 '24 23:05 AndrewSav

Would be interesting if you could try and roll this Wood Ring from the screen shot @razeedazee , do you get the same entitlement tooltip still?

AndrewSav avatar May 02 '24 23:05 AndrewSav

Ok, so in the remnant.wiki discord i asked as they had it listed as a bug, they tested it to see if it was fixed with new updates, it appears to be gone.

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I will have to go find it to test, but this was apparently the only base game area drop to do this.

razeedazee avatar May 02 '24 23:05 razeedazee