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Underestiamtion of heat load

Open PRemmen opened this issue 7 years ago • 7 comments

also reported by @mschumacher247

What is the problem?

  • It seems, that especially for well insulated buildings, like TABULA retrofit and advanced retrofit, TEASER underestimates the static heat load of the building.
  • This leeds to maximum power use of the simple heater in the simulation and quite often the set temperature is violated, because the given power is to low

Why do we want to solve it?

  • Because this is in unintended behaviour of our model

How do we want to solve it?

  • one option would be to have some safety value, e.g. add 20% on top of the calculated static heat load
  • any other ideas?

PRemmen avatar Jun 21 '17 08:06 PRemmen

Good question why we underestimate that... . Maybe we should check the implementation of heat load calculation and see, if the infiltration rate is set too low and if we violate this range when simulating because of higher infiltration rates at the minimum temperatures...

mlauster avatar Jul 17 '17 07:07 mlauster

The infiltration rate is set as 0.5. For a multi family residential building or a non residential building (not industrial) it is defined in EN15242 for a difference pressure of 4 Pa as 0.4 1/h and 10 Pa as 0.8 1/h for medium leakage.

@mlauster The pressure difference should get bigger for bigger temperature differences. Which would lead to a higher infiltration rate i.e. 50Pa -> 2 1/h. Is that what you meant?

StanleyRisch avatar Nov 21 '17 11:11 StanleyRisch

@mla-srs, yes, this is what I meant! Before adding a rough perecentage to be on the safer side, we should check if it helps to raise the infiltration rate while still staying in reasonable ranges. I would propose using 0.8 or 1.

mlauster avatar Nov 21 '17 16:11 mlauster

@PRemmen What do you think of @mlauster's suggestion? A infiltration rate in dependence of the temperature difference is too complex isn't it?

StanleyRisch avatar Nov 22 '17 10:11 StanleyRisch

@mla-srs Mhh not quite sure, because the error seems to occur especially for new, well insulated buildings, where there isn't typically a high leakage rate.

We can do this as this could be something like a "safety value" however this should be documented very well

PRemmen avatar Nov 22 '17 13:11 PRemmen

I added a first draft for a improved heat load calculation. However, following DIN EN 12831 and DIN EN 12831 national appendix there are some dependencies/assumptions that need to be solved.

The following aspects should be implementated within this issue:

  • [ ] Building mass class for re-heating factors (i.e. light and heavy, including Tabula archetype buildings)
  • [ ] Method of re-heating factor calculation (temp drop since it is suitable for all construction years, Ch. 3.6.4 in appendix, deltaT according to eq. 10ff.) with selectable re-heating time t_RH
  • [ ] Minimum ventilation per room (usage type) according to norm should be integrated in boundary conditions xml file
  • [ ] Roll out above implementation for all elements (oneElement, twoElement etc.)

mschumacher247 avatar May 15 '18 09:05 mschumacher247

I guess #518 is also relevant within this context.

JSchiefelbein avatar Jun 07 '18 14:06 JSchiefelbein