Ngamahu, Flame's Advance's Strength Calculating With Strength Charms Incorrectly

[nekooooooooo]

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What is the value from the calculation in-game?

Strength in game: 2851

What is the value from the calculation in Path of Building?

Strength in PoB: 2699

How to reproduce the issue

1. Allocate "Ngamahu, Flame's Advance" via Forbidden Flame + Flesh
2. Unequip/equip charms

Character build code

https://pobb.in/zSDl34SNMYEg

Screenshots

Allocated Ngamahu's Forbidden Flame + Flesh, Unequipped Charms

Allocated Ngamahu's Forbidden Flame + Flesh, Equipped Charm

Unallocated Ngamahu's Forbidden Flame + Flesh

Unallocated Ngamahu's Forbidden Flame + Flesh, Equipped Charm

[spawnie-no-oni]

Here's a minimal build with Ngamahu and strength charm: https://pobb.in/rBOBN2k4eTpP

Here's what I've noted:

• The calc stay the same when using custom mods instead of charms, so PoB's implementation of charms is not at fault
• The calc stay the same when using jewels or ascending to chieftain or allocating the node directly
• The calc in the minimal buid is correct, so either the game is incorrect or there's another factor specific to your build at play
• The observed difference between PoB and in-game for your build with 3 charms equipped corresponds to +72 flat strength (after modifiers are applied)
• The observed difference between PoB and in-game for your build with 1 charm equipped corresponds to +24 flat strength
• Those are all suspiciously multiple of 3, and also multiple of each other.

So if, by any chance, it happened that charms where coded like jewels, and mistakingly giving you 3 strength for each notable in radius, and each of the 8 nodes of the primalist tree was considered a notable and in radius of each other, then equipping a single charm of any kind would give you 24 flat strength, and equippind 3 charms would give you 72 flat strength.

This could be tested by unallocating some Primalist passive point or equipping a charm that is not supposed to affect your strength and see if that moves your strength score in-game.

[nekooooooooo]

This could be tested by unallocating some Primalist passive point or equipping a charm that is not supposed to affect your strength and see if that moves your strength score in-game.

Did the suggested test and it appears that you are correct. Equipping a charm that has no strength modifier adds to my strength stat.

[Paliak]

You gained 33 strength socketing that charm. I think it's actually counting the normal tree nodes from the position visual position of the charm as well. Normal jewel sockets don't count so i'd assume charm sockets don't count either. 10 nodes * 3 str = 33 so it would line up.

[spawnie-no-oni]

His build has 188% increased strength, so unless that extra strength somehow doesn't get affected by increased strength I think he only gained 18 flat strength. I can't quite explain which nodes it is counting to arrive at this number though.

[Paliak]

188% increased strength, so unless that extra strength somehow doesn't get affected by increased strength

Did not consider that...

Would be best to test on an empty build i guess.

@nekooooooooo Did you make changes to your build between posting that POB link and testing? If without the charms you have around 200% increased strength then it would actually line up as assuming only the nodes from Primalist are counted you'd get 9 extra strength from Ngamahu, Flame's Advance.

[nekooooooooo]

@nekooooooooo Did you make changes to your build between posting that POB link and testing? If without the charms you have around 200% increased strength then it would actually line up as assuming only the nodes from Primalist are counted you'd get 9 extra strength from Ngamahu, Flame's Advance.

Besides the removed charms and unallocated passives, no.

Might be of note, forgot to add this screenshot on my previous comment.

Levelled a fresh character that has primalist and two jewel slots for forbidden flesh + flame combo (realizing now that I could've just use regrets) https://pobb.in/EcSz-vCFmPM5

[Paliak]

Thanks for testing. It is quite weird that you get 18 strength form allocating the charm. I'd expect it to only count the three nodes giving you 9. The only way of getting 18 that i can think of would be if Ngamahu, Flame's Advance ignored ascendancy nodes and the starting nodes but took into account the strength nodes you have allocated on the test build.