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Quake map sources are GPL v2

Open jacobo-mc opened this issue 2 years ago • 17 comments

Why are you remapping? You can just replace models, sounds and textures, as the quakec and maps are free. https://github.com/id-Software/Quake-Tools/tree/master/qcc/v101qc https://github.com/fzwoch/quake_map_source

jacobo-mc avatar Feb 17 '22 01:02 jacobo-mc

the map sources are NOT gpl2 John R was just nice and gave them out he did not have permission to do so but he did if u look at his original blog post that he gave out the maps it does not say anything about gpl or them being under a free software license

sorry if this sounds rude i just really dont like that people keep pushing this miss information

lavenderdotpet avatar Feb 17 '22 02:02 lavenderdotpet

https://rome.ro/news/2016/2/14/quake-map-sources-released https://web.archive.org/web/20061022171208/http://rome.ro/2006/10/quake-map-sources-released.html

lavenderdotpet avatar Feb 17 '22 02:02 lavenderdotpet

Actually if you'd downloaded the map sources from the 2006 archive blog post there (which unfortunately is broken), it would've included the GPL license with the maps. From what I understand the link to download was broken on Romero's blog after he updated it, and when he uploaded it again he uploaded an earlier copy which lacked the GPL license amendment.

Anyway, here's the copy of it with the GPL license (which is also mentioned in the readme for this copy).

quake_map_sources.zip

hogsy avatar Feb 17 '22 09:02 hogsy

People have been using the maps under GPL for many years, and Mr. Romero, in addition to American McGee and the rest of id Software, did not stop anybody from using it. It is complete misinformation, you saying it is not gpl. The file linked above have timestamps that make sense for the release date.

jacobo-mc avatar Feb 17 '22 15:02 jacobo-mc

There is one reason to avoid using the GPL'd map sources: LibreQuake is licensed under BSD 3-Clause.

If LibreQuake aims to keep all of its resources under BSD 3-Clause, then GPL'd resources cannot be used.

Calinou avatar Feb 17 '22 16:02 Calinou

So Romero declared his copies of the map source to be GPL some 10 years after leaving ID. Are there any statements from ID that support this action?

Because I could just grab some of the software I've written for work and declare it GPL as well -but my slapping a text document in a zip doesn't just make it covered if my company disagrees and can produce evidence to the contrary.

Let me restate that: the best reason to be skeptical of the GPL'd nature of these map sources is that they were never released by ID themselves.

Does anyone have actual, critical proof that ID software, under it's current leadership, sanctions these former-employee map releases as GPL?

mmillar-bolis avatar Feb 17 '22 16:02 mmillar-bolis

I'm unable to edit on mobile for some reason today, but my point is that maybe we should just ask ID and Romero to double-check permission.

mmillar-bolis avatar Feb 17 '22 16:02 mmillar-bolis

There is one reason to avoid using the GPL'd map sources: LibreQuake is licensed under BSD 3-Clause.

If LibreQuake aims to keep all of its resources under BSD 3-Clause, then GPL'd resources cannot be used.

there is a way to get around that we wouldn't be able to include the gpl stuff in the repo but we could include it in the release with a gpl notice about the said files

Actually if you'd downloaded the map sources from the 2006 archive blog post there (which unfortunately is broken), it would've included the GPL license with the maps. From what I understand the link to download was broken on Romero's blog after he updated it, and when he uploaded it again he uploaded an earlier copy which lacked the GPL license amendment.

Anyway, here's the copy of it with the GPL license (which is also mentioned in the readme for this copy).

quake_map_sources.zip

like @mmillar-bolis i am slightly doubtful that he got permission to put them under gpl

on top of that its nice to have our own stuff either way if we find out that we can use it we would just include a different download link that has the maps with out bsd3 textures

lavenderdotpet avatar Feb 17 '22 17:02 lavenderdotpet

There is one reason to avoid using the GPL'd map sources: LibreQuake is licensed under BSD 3-Clause.

If LibreQuake aims to keep all of its resources under BSD 3-Clause, then GPL'd resources cannot be used.

there is a way to get around that we wouldn't be able to include the gpl stuff in the repo but we could include it in the release with a gpl notice about the said files

Actually if you'd downloaded the map sources from the 2006 archive blog post there (which unfortunately is broken), it would've included the GPL license with the maps. From what I understand the link to download was broken on Romero's blog after he updated it, and when he uploaded it again he uploaded an earlier copy which lacked the GPL license amendment.

Anyway, here's the copy of it with the GPL license (which is also mentioned in the readme for this copy).

quake_map_sources.zip

like @mmillar-bolis i am slightly doubtful that he got permission to put them under gpl

on top of that its nice to have our own stuff either way if we find out that we can use it we would just include a different download link that has the maps with out bsd3 textures

That's fair enough! To be honest I just thought I'd point it out but I think the direction you're taking is fine as it is 👍

hogsy avatar Feb 17 '22 17:02 hogsy

thank you and yeah its fine to be pointed out i was just operating with the info i had and nothing i saw made it clear that there was a version with the gpl licence inside ill see if i can contact john r on twitter and see what he has to say about it

lavenderdotpet avatar Feb 17 '22 17:02 lavenderdotpet

You can also use the Quake Revitalisation Project to provide placeholder textures.

jacobo-mc avatar Feb 17 '22 18:02 jacobo-mc

i was going to do that at one point but there are textures in there that are just 100% quake textures upscaled and then a new noise applied on top so that hole pack is likely some what tainted

lavenderdotpet avatar Feb 17 '22 18:02 lavenderdotpet

How about OpenQuartz, whitch is 100% GPL.

jacobo-mc avatar Feb 17 '22 18:02 jacobo-mc

we were off with openquartz but didnt like most of the art and that it was all gpl hell the project was originally going to be called librequartz image

lavenderdotpet avatar Feb 17 '22 18:02 lavenderdotpet

we wanted to be able to share stuff with freedoom so we matched the license

lavenderdotpet avatar Feb 17 '22 18:02 lavenderdotpet

You actually can use GPL and BSD-3 stuff together, as they are compatible. Why do you not have a GPL pak and a BSD pak?

jacobo-mc avatar Mar 14 '22 20:03 jacobo-mc

Can the Romero Dump be used?

coderamen666 avatar Sep 04 '22 14:09 coderamen666