Jermolene
Removing archaic tiddly fox references.
This relates to file paths. Per suggestion by @pmario , removing these two tiddlers. However, as I worked, I noticed that there are similar tiddlers in French, German, and Spanish. I wonder if they should go too? (though not necessarily in this PR).
This relates to file paths. Per suggestion by @pmario , removing these two tiddlers.
Is TiddlyFox really dead? Within the last few years, my understanding was that there were still browsers that supported it.
In general, I prefer not to delete docs tiddlers (unless they are doing harm) so as not to break existing links. I would rather edit them to include an obsolescence warning. But equally it's not tenable to let decades of obsolete cruft accumulate.
However, as I worked, I noticed that there are similar tiddlers in French, German, and Spanish. I wonder if they should go too? (though not necessarily in this PR).
Good spot. In such situations I think ideally we would handle the translations in the same PR to simplify the commit history, but I understand that that may not always be possible.
We may keep the tiddler titles, but remove all the tags. They shouldn't be listed in the TOC or anywhere else. The text that they contain needs to go. It won't work ever again.
There is no way to activate TiddlyFox on Android ever again. With the latest version of FF for Android its even not possible to activate plugins that work with the PC browser.
TiddlyFox may still work with WaterFox or others but IMO it shouldn't be listed as a valid saver for new users in GettingStarted anymore.
I didn't test any of those legacy browsers lately. But I think I've seen a comment somewhere, that they have changed some security restrictions lately. ... But as I said we would need to test them.
I think WaterFox was the project I was thinking of. It appears to be still going strong, so I think we should keep these docs. But clearly we need to present them in GettingStarted in a way that makes clear that they are fringe options for special situations – we've already got a great number of such saving options, and so we already have the challenge of how to present them so that the best choices are obvious for most users.
Related to file paths, these two tiddlers don't have the "Saving" tag, so already don't show up in the saving solutions mini-app. They have their own "Saving with TiddlyFox" tag which doesn't match any filter.
It seems that they need disclaimer text. But it doesn't seem like I have much luck writing disclaimers. The text should probably explain that it doesn't work with current versions of Firefox. But if you don't recommend some other browser, what's the point?
I became wary of small budget browser projects when the Pale Moon archive server was infected with a virus, and had apparently been infected for a period of two years. Waterfox was apparently sold to a company in 2020 that does advertising, raising the question whether it would really be a "Private" browser or not.
They are both FiddlyFox for Android. As I wrote that will never ever happen to work again. WaterFox is only available for PC on Windows. We can keep the 2 tiddlers remove the whole content and replace it with eg:
This functionality has been removed by browser vendors with FireFox ??? To choose a saver have a closer look at: GettingStarted
or something similar.
It seems that they need disclaimer text. But it doesn't seem like I have much luck writing disclaimers. The text should probably explain that it doesn't work with current versions of Firefox. But if you don't recommend some other browser, what's the point?
Perhaps it can instead just bounce people back to GettingStarted to choose a different method. Otherwise, if the recommended browser changed in the future we'd have to remember to update these TiddlyFox tiddlers.
I became wary of small budget browser projects when the Pale Moon archive server was infected with a virus, and had apparently been infected for a period of two years. Waterfox was apparently sold to a company in 2020 that does advertising, raising the question whether it would really be a "Private" browser or not.
Yes quite. Browsers teeter on the edge of a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
This is us figuring out how to serve a niche of a niche, and make those people feel looked after, without frightening everyone else. I do think it sends a positive signal for us to be mindful of niche audiences.
I also noticed that there are a few other references to TiddlyFox on tiddlywiki.com which perhaps should be reviewed at the same time.
This latest change restores the deleted tiddlers, edits two additional tiddlers, and adds warning re tiddlyfox. The warning text was taken directly from the "Saving with TiddlyFox" tiddler. It also changes the order of items on "Getting Started - Android" so that it's not right at the top breaking hearts. It also changes the name "AndTidwiki" to "Tiddloid" to match the transcluded text. I guess I should have snuck in a word about quinoid. I thought I would grab the same warning text from the respective es/fr/de translations and paste in it the corresponding tiddlers, but none of them had it! So this submission is mono-lingual.
I thought I would grab the same warning text from the respective es/fr/de translations and paste in it the corresponding tiddlers, but none of them had it! So this submission is mono-lingual.
I think the translators will be aware of the changes. ... IMO it's de-DE (@ me), fr-FR (@xcazin ) and es-ES (@araname ) that may have references to TiddlyFox. We should try to fix that too
I think the translators will be aware of the changes. ... IMO it's de-DE (@ me), fr-FR (@xcazin ) and es-ES (@araname ) that may have references to TiddlyFox. We should try to fix that too
Unless the term 'tiddlyfox' was removed from the tiddler file name, I found only de-AT (what is that?).
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions/6323#discussioncomment-1773572
Even then, where can tiddlyfox be found? The links are all dead.
Where are waterfox users going to download Tiddlyfox from?
a live one
https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/blob/master/tiddlywiki.xpi
found via search & "$goog mail list" https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/4yyMPH-0hXg
perhaps gh changed the link formatting? the mort/dangling link : https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/raw/master/tiddlyfox.xpi from https://tiddlywiki.com/static/TiddlyFox.html appears to be missing /blob/
... see also : wrt ?useful? mort link tool w3c/link-checker
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4594#issuecomment-619507662
