GrognardsFromHell
Dragon Discipile WIP
Created a Dragon Discipile Help File (WIP) Created Dragon Discipile Feat text files (Heritage incomplete) Started to work on Dragon Discipile Feats
Good start! I think I'd unify all the heritages to one and make the effect depend on arg. To get around the general issue of feature selection, for now you can have the player choose the heritage type via radial menu. Also note the addmesh thing I added - I had the wings feature in mind 😉 It won't actually grant flight but maybe we could have it give faster movement speed.
Oh and blindsense is kinda redundant in this game I think. I suppose it could he integrated in spot checks, but meh.
Good start! I think I'd unify all the heritages to one and make the effect depend on arg. To get around the general issue of feature selection, for now you can have the player choose the heritage type via radial menu. Also note the addmesh thing I added - I had the wings feature in mind 😉 It won't actually grant flight but maybe we could have it give faster movement speed.
Oh and blindsense is kinda redundant in this game I think. I suppose it could he integrated in spot checks, but meh.
My plan was to store the Heritage in the Breath Weapon and in the Dragon Apotheosis Functions as an arg anyways, those are the only functions that care about the heritage. Saving the heritage as an arg makes it easier to add new dragon types in the future if really needed. Now I really like the idea to handle the heritage via a radial menu. This saves alot of feat headaches indeed :) Will do it that way.
BTW, maybe the dragon heritage should have its own condition - for example if any other classes use that kind of stuff (e.g. Pathfinder Sorcerers).
Updated Help File (close to finished) and fixed typo Added Radial to select Heritage (easily expandable if needed) Removed Feat Heritage selection Added Placeholder Breath Weapon Cone particles Added Breath Weapon Radial and Action Added Spell Dragon Disciple Cone Breath
Edit: Found my error
Added Ability Boost Feature.
Known Bugs: Select Heritage Radial does not work as intended and chooses wrong Heritage Breath Weapon is not executed
Missing: Claws and Bite Attacks Blindsense Line Breath Attack
Added Cone Breath Weapon particles Added Line Breath Spell Added Line Breath particles for Acid
Know Bugs: Spell Selection is messed up Cone Breath Fire needs different smoke Line Breath spell animation is not waiting till caster turns around
Missing Claw and Bite attack Blindsense Line Breath particles for Cold, Elec and Fire
I think the claw/bite stuff needs engine level hooks. IIRC it looks up obj_f fields that are NPC only.
I think the claw/bite stuff needs engine level hooks. IIRC it looks up obj_f fields that are NPC only.
Ok
I think the claw/bite stuff needs engine level hooks. IIRC it looks up obj_f fields that are NPC only.
Ok
Oh, on that note, are there other things that grant natural attacks? I know polymorph does, but it does so through mimicking an existing proto entry.
Wow, looks great!
Question - why have you decided to go with Breath Weapon as a spell implementation? For example I did similar here: https://github.com/anatoliy-savchak/ToEE.ZMOD.ShatteredGatesOfSlaughtergarde/blob/master/modules/zmod_sgos_core/scr/tpModifiers/line_of_acid.py
But I feared that Supernatural ability should not be treated as spell. So no spell resistance nor AOO nor counterspelled nor dispelled.
Wow, looks great!
Question - why have you decided to go with Breath Weapon as a spell implementation? For example I did similar here: https://github.com/anatoliy-savchak/ToEE.ZMOD.ShatteredGatesOfSlaughtergarde/blob/master/modules/zmod_sgos_core/scr/tpModifiers/line_of_acid.py
Unless I'm missing something, the above is for AI with automatic target selection, which is not suitable for PC class obviously. Making this an action with a spell makes use of the UI picker infrastructure.
But I feared that Supernatural ability should not be treated as spell. So no spell resistance nor AOO nor counterspelled nor dispelled.
Yes, there ought to be a flag for this...
Unless I'm missing something, the above is for AI with automatic target selection, which is not suitable for PC class obviously. Making this an action with a spell makes use of the UI picker infrastructure.
Sure. Thanks Sitra!
Look, my comment is not criticism per se. I saw this and now will try to accommodate such technique in my modules :) Great work @Sagenlicht ! :)
Unless I'm missing something, the above is for AI with automatic target selection, which is not suitable for PC class obviously. Making this an action with a spell makes use of the UI picker infrastructure.
Sure. Thanks Sitra!
Look, my comment is not criticism per se. I saw this and now will try to accommodate such technique in my modules :) Great work @Sagenlicht ! :)
I don't know when you wrote that, but actually ai tactic "cast area" was broken until quite recently. I'm still not sure how well it works for cones actually.
Updated help file. Help file is finished and only needs to be corrected for things that maybe gets change due to technical limitations (see below).
About the bite/claw thing. A few spells in the Spell Compendium would add claw/bite attacks as well. I am not aware of any other claw/bite attacks outside spells or non humanoid races as sources for such attacks. Claw attacks are usually two-weapon attacks and the penalty for it is usually reduced by the (in ToEE I belive non existing) https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsterFeats.htm#multiattack feat.
Blindsense What is your prefered handling @DudeMcDude for the Blindsense feat? Ignore it or give a spot bonus? I don't think the feat does much more. If a spot bonus is of no real relevance, I can simply drop the feat.
Wings I added a feat for the wings, so the addmesh thing can be hooked.
Breath Weapon All particle effects are done, only fire smokes needs to be blackend. I am bit stuck on the facing for the breath weapon, besides that everything is working fine.
Spell Selection I did reread the spell advancement of the Dragon Disciple and it is not as I thought it would be. Instead of gaining a simple advancement in the highest arcane casting class (which I assumed) it only gains bonus spells for an existing spell level, which can always newly be selected every time its applicable. I am unsure if this is actually doable atm in ToEE? https://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/dragonDisciple.htm
@anatoliy-savchak ty :)
I am not aware of any other claw/bite attacks outside spells or non humanoid races as sources for such attacks.
Many monsters have these natural attacks. But unfortunately you cannot mix Natural Attack and Weapon Attack in ToEE\T+ ATM.
About the bite/claw thing. A few spells in the Spell Compendium would add claw/bite attacks as well. I am not aware of any other claw/bite attacks outside spells or non humanoid races as sources for such attacks. Claw attacks are usually two-weapon attacks and the penalty for it is usually reduced by the (in ToEE I belive non existing) https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsterFeats.htm#multiattack feat.
Well I was wondering if it should be converted to a general thing rather than DD specific. I guess it can always be changed later though.
Blindsense What is your prefered handling @DudeMcDude for the Blindsense feat? Ignore it or give a spot bonus? I don't think the feat does much more. If a spot bonus is of no real relevance, I can simply drop the feat.
Yeah I think we can take a pass on that.
Spell Selection I did reread the spell advancement of the Dragon Disciple and it is not as I thought it would be. Instead of gaining a simple advancement in the highest arcane casting class (which I assumed) it only gains bonus spells for an existing spell level, which can always newly be selected every time its applicable. I am unsure if this is actually doable atm in ToEE? https://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/dragonDisciple.htm
I don't understand, is this different than Eldritch Knight?
I don't understand, is this different than Eldritch Knight?
Yes completely. EK, as almost all PrC's gets normal spell progression. When EK gains a level it counts as getting a level in the "original" class. This means an EK 4 / Sor 1 can cast 2nd level sorcerer spells.
An Dragon Disciple only gets bonus spells no progression or even spells per day. A DD 10 / Sor 1 still could only cast 1st level spells only three per day.
All the DD gets is more spells known and in by raw he could choose every time he gets a bonus spell in which spell level he wants to have the new spell. Example: A 5 Level Sor can cast 1st and 2nd level spells. When she gains the first level of DD she still can't cast level 3 spells (an EK would grant access to those) but she can choose to add either a 1st level or 2nd level spell to her known spells. In addition to this, if character would be 2bard/4sorc and then gains DD levels she always could by raw choose to add a new level 1 bard spell or a new Sorc spell either 1st or 2nd level. I guess the 2nd example is more of an edge case but in theory it work like that.
And yes, I only noticed this while doing the help file, I just assumed it would work the way the other PrC's work :(
The Dragon Disciple bonus spells aren't known spells. They are per-day spell slots. You get to add one spell-per-day to any level you can already cast on those levels.
I think there's no way to give them in ToEE. The engine just hard-codes bonus spell slots from high ability scores as the only possibility. I made issue #542 a while back about it.
Ah ty for correcting this @dolio. Ok they are not more known spells but more spells per day then. But yeah it is still not the normal PrC spell progression sadly :(
Yeah, it's surprisingly weak, since it doesn't seem like the rest of the class is really sufficient to make you a competent fighter.
Incidentally, I've noticed that the original (I think) designers misinterpreted Multiattack, too, since you mentioned it. What it's supposed to do is make 'secondary' natural weapon attacks hit at -2 (rather than -5). However, what they did instead was give monsters with Multiattack a bonus attack, and this ends up being an unarmed strike (dealing nonlethal damage) rather than an actual natural attack. I think the way natural attacks are specified (currently) just lets you pick arbitrary to-hit penalties, so they should have just picked -2 for creatures with the feat, and -5 for creatures without.
Two claws could be the primary natural attack, I think. They just happen not to be in the case of DD.
I think the way natural attacks are specified (currently) just lets you pick arbitrary to-hit penalties, so they should have just picked -2 for creatures with the feat, and -5 for creatures without.
I think it was done for the ease of configuring monsters. Just specify final Attack bonus from Monster Manual and that's it. Otherwise you'd had to calculate values based on BAB, STR / DEX modifiers etc.
Fixed Breath Weapon Fire particle smoke Dropped Blindsense
Bugs: Performer doesn't rotate when using Breath Weapon and is not facing the target(s)*
Missing Claws and Bite attack Wings
*I can't get attachee.turn_towards(target) to work properly :( I do not have access to any other appropriate anim_goals I think. In the code I used anim_goal_push_attack as a placeholder for now. Though turn_towards isn't the best solution for a cone spell anyways.
As the DD normally would get fly and this can't be done in ToEE, we could offer something else in return.
@DudeMcDude already thought about increasing speed, to throw another idea in the ring how about adding a modification to the Breath Weapon, depening on the type of element:
- Acid and Fire add damage over time for 1d4 rounds on a failed reflex save (oozing or burning)
- Cold slows on a failed fortitude save for 1d4 rounds
- Electricity stuns (or dazes if stun is too strong) on a failed fortitude save for 1 round
If we would add other element types, this could be expanded as well (e.g. negative adds a temp neg level for 1d4 turns on a failed fort save, sonic deafens etc).
Oh sorry I forgot about this. Increasing speed - for some reason I thought all flyers have higher speed. Probably from looking at the fly spell. But that's not the case here. I could think of adding a "Flying" condition, that could be turned on/off to avoid stuff like grease/entangle etc, and make melee attacks impossible when outdoors, but honestly the utility seems very limited for what will likely be a combat frontliner.
Is the turn towards attacker and missing bite/claw the only remaining issues?
Oh I like your idea about the flying condition actually. You could also disable AoO when moving/charging with this condition I guess, which could be quite relevant. I don't know if it's possible to let the character levitate above its space for the time he/she flies but everything else seems actually quite reasonable.
Missing features are:
- Claws and Bite attacks
- Proper Facing for the Breath Weapon
- Bonus Spells Slots (Ring of Wizardry Issue)
I could think of adding a "Flying" condition, that could be turned on/off to avoid stuff like grease/entangle etc, and make melee attacks impossible when outdoors, but honestly the utility seems very limited for what will likely be a combat frontliner.
Personally I agree about the Grease. Good point. Not sure about entangle, probably fine. This is complicated subject.
I do recommend bringing this topic to co8 forum and brainstorm it.
I switched the DD to use the Draconic Heritage Feat instead the radial workaround for handling the heritage.
This push also includes the heritage_feat_utils.py, which is required for interacting with heritage feats, and the DD now uses the Draconic Heritage Feat. I think this is the way to go, as it generalizes the heritage handling and was the reason why I started to work on all the heritage feats (I've done the Fey Line completly and alot of the Draconic are also already done), though I do not want to include them in the DD branch, will push them afterwards.
I also created a BreathWeaponModifier class to handle all upkeep work for breath weapons (charges, cooldown), as the Dragon Shaman also needs this (also to generalize)
Lastly this push also includes the Extra Exhalation Feat, so a DD can increase his Breath Weapon Daily uses. Have done another Breath Weapon Feat (Exaled Immunity), won't be included in the DD branch, will get a seperate push.
Will work on the bonus spells tomorrow, afterwards only the claw/bite thing is missing and the DD doesn't use any workarounds anymore :)
Making explicit bonus spell feats for every class and spell level is pretty icky... why go down that route?
Making explicit bonus spell feats for every class and spell level is pretty icky... why go down that route?
Oh I am unsure how to handle this properly, this was my first draft idea.
The Dragon Disciple could get a bonus spell for every level and spell class he chooses as he gains level. It is not limited to his highest class, arcane or whatsoever. So in theory a 2nd Level Cleric/2nd Level Sorc/1st Level Bard that then goes Dragon Disciple could choose to add a bonus spell to: Cleric Spell LEvel 0 or 1, Sorc Level 0 or 1 or to his Bard spell Level 0 every time he gets a bonus spell slot.
Now I am unsure how this Bonus Spell thing is needed by other classes or items like a spell storing ring, so my first idea was let's do some conditions everyone could use. But I am open for suggestions :)
Possible bug: I don't get evt_obj.caster_class to work, it runs into an error. EventObjSpellsPerDay "spell_level", "base_caster_level" and "bonus_list" work fine.
I switched the DD to use the Draconic Heritage Feat instead the radial workaround for handling the heritage.
This push also includes the heritage_feat_utils.py, which is required for interacting with heritage feats, and the DD now uses the Draconic Heritage Feat. I think this is the way to go, as it generalizes the heritage handling and was the reason why I started to work on all the heritage feats (I've done the Fey Line completly and alot of the Draconic are also already done), though I do not want to include them in the DD branch, will push them afterwards.
I also created a BreathWeaponModifier class to handle all upkeep work for breath weapons (charges, cooldown), as the Dragon Shaman also needs this (also to generalize)
Lastly this push also includes the Extra Exhalation Feat, so a DD can increase his Breath Weapon Daily uses. Have done another Breath Weapon Feat (Exaled Immunity), won't be included in the DD branch, will get a seperate push.
Will work on the bonus spells tomorrow, afterwards only the claw/bite thing is missing and the DD doesn't use any workarounds anymore :)
Excellent!
Possible bug: I don't get evt_obj.caster_class to work, it runs into an error. EventObjSpellsPerDay "spell_level", "base_caster_level" and "bonus_list" work fine.
@DudeMcDude could you please look into this, it keeps me from finishing the bonus spells. If I am doing something wrong there I apologize, but to me it seems not to work.