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Increased MindSwap Odds

Open TheOneWhoIsManyFrame opened this issue 1 year ago • 12 comments

It was a bit too rare, rng on top of rng, now players actually get a chance to be mindswapper.

About the PR

Increased MindSwap psionic ability chance.

Why / Balance

It was too rare.

Changelog

Changed MindSwap chance from 0.15 to 0.5

TheOneWhoIsManyFrame avatar May 24 '24 17:05 TheOneWhoIsManyFrame

Ignoring the wild implications of this, given that this is stronger than mass sleep, this needs a Delta-V comment because you're modifying Nyanotrasen code

thank you, however I believe mass sleep is actually stronger? given that it affects multiple target at once, it is a stronger combat ability.

TheOneWhoIsManyFrame avatar May 24 '24 17:05 TheOneWhoIsManyFrame

Hello, as it currently stands Mindswap results in nuclear operatives being completely removed from the game when you mindswap them. Personally, I am completely unwilling to increase the chance of this occurrence happening while this bug is in effect. You can track the issue here: https://github.com/DeltaV-Station/Delta-v/issues/915

Lyndomen avatar May 24 '24 17:05 Lyndomen

Hello, as it currently stands Mindswap results in nuclear operatives being completely removed from the game when you mindswap them. Personally, I am completely unwilling to increase the chance of this occurrence happening while this bug is in effect. You can track the issue here: #915

how about giving nukie some kind of mindshield against mindswap....is that possible?

TheOneWhoIsManyFrame avatar May 24 '24 17:05 TheOneWhoIsManyFrame

Hello, as it currently stands Mindswap results in nuclear operatives being completely removed from the game when you mindswap them. Personally, I am completely unwilling to increase the chance of this occurrence happening while this bug is in effect. You can track the issue here: #915

how about giving nukie some kind of mindshield against mindswap....is that possible?

Yes, but not the desired solution to that problem. While you could give Nukies psionic insulation, it doesn't solve the core issue of Nukie players being ghosted on mindswap

DangerRevolution avatar May 24 '24 18:05 DangerRevolution

Hello, as it currently stands Mindswap results in nuclear operatives being completely removed from the game when you mindswap them. Personally, I am completely unwilling to increase the chance of this occurrence happening while this bug is in effect. You can track the issue here: #915

how about giving nukie some kind of mindshield against mindswap....is that possible?

Yes, but not the desired solution to that problem. While you could give Nukies psionic insulation, it doesn't solve the core issue of Nukie players being ghosted on mindswap

to have a fun mechanic/ability being near unobtainable due to a bug seems wrong though...

TheOneWhoIsManyFrame avatar May 24 '24 18:05 TheOneWhoIsManyFrame

Hello, as it currently stands Mindswap results in nuclear operatives being completely removed from the game when you mindswap them. Personally, I am completely unwilling to increase the chance of this occurrence happening while this bug is in effect. You can track the issue here: #915

how about giving nukie some kind of mindshield against mindswap....is that possible?

Yes, but not the desired solution to that problem. While you could give Nukies psionic insulation, it doesn't solve the core issue of Nukie players being ghosted on mindswap

I will add that #915 has no reproduction aside from anecdote; and it's hard to say how much of it is ancient MindSwap code and how much of it is actually related to Nukies. It may not even be an issue now; after the antag rework :shrug:

DangerRevolution avatar May 24 '24 18:05 DangerRevolution

currently mindswap is actually lower than 0.15 chance of getting

TheOneWhoIsManyFrame avatar May 24 '24 18:05 TheOneWhoIsManyFrame

currently mindswap is actually lower than 0.15 chance of getting

Depends how the game picks the powers, could be far lower than 0.15 but I don't remember which type of random picking is really bad and which one is fine.

DangerRevolution avatar May 24 '24 18:05 DangerRevolution

If it helps, I'm one of the anecdotes- I mindswapped a nukie and round removed them a few months ago. I've never seen that behavior on any other antagonist. I'm sure the code is ancient and unreliable- but I do strongly believe we should be fixing issues before considering balance changes.

Lyndomen avatar May 24 '24 18:05 Lyndomen

If it helps, I'm one of the anecdotes- I mindswapped a nukie and round removed them a few months ago. I've never seen that behavior on any other antagonist. I'm sure the code is ancient and unreliable- but I do strongly believe we should be fixing issues before considering balance changes.

I do wish MindSwap become more accessible sometime soon.

TheOneWhoIsManyFrame avatar May 24 '24 18:05 TheOneWhoIsManyFrame

If it helps, I'm one of the anecdotes- I mindswapped a nukie and round removed them a few months ago. I've never seen that behavior on any other antagonist. I'm sure the code is ancient and unreliable- but I do strongly believe we should be fixing issues before considering balance changes.

I do wish MindSwap become more accessible sometime soon.

Your only bet is hoping Nyanotrasen or someone of the sort rewrites it, anyone who knows anything about this code is long gone :)

DangerRevolution avatar May 24 '24 18:05 DangerRevolution

If it helps, I'm one of the anecdotes- I mindswapped a nukie and round removed them a few months ago. I've never seen that behavior on any other antagonist. I'm sure the code is ancient and unreliable- but I do strongly believe we should be fixing issues before considering balance changes.

I do wish MindSwap become more accessible sometime soon.

Your only bet is hoping Nyanotrasen or someone of the sort rewrites it, anyone who knows anything about this code is long gone :)

Im all for the bandaid fix of checking whether a person have nukie role for mindswap.

TheOneWhoIsManyFrame avatar May 24 '24 18:05 TheOneWhoIsManyFrame

As this is a funny balance change moment ill have to run this by the admins real quick

therealDLondon avatar May 24 '24 23:05 therealDLondon

Github is quite confusing to use.

TheOneWhoIsManyFrame avatar May 25 '24 09:05 TheOneWhoIsManyFrame

The general consensus seems to be we don't want the odds to be increased on this

Axionyxx avatar Jun 01 '24 21:06 Axionyxx