Homemade polehammers

[SirPendrak]

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Summary

Content "Add two new earlygame polehammers"

Purpose of change

More weapon crafting choices

Describe the solution

Add two new weapons and crafting recipies for them, their idea is weponising standard hammer. Survivor polehammer (changed to homemade polehammer) is roughly equivalent to spear_knife_propper. Makeshift survivor polehammer (changed to makeshift homemade polehammer) is roughly equivalent of spear_knife_superior. Overall, they are a bit easier to make, a tiny bit worse as a weapons and have different tehniques.

Describe alternatives you've considered

Adding bronze hammer variants. Adding variant that has been sharpened with angle grinder. I was wondering if theese should have "hooking weaponary" similar to lucerne hammer, but decided that claw hammer head might be too small to reliable use some advanced martialarts. EDIT: Messed a bit IRL with hammers. They definitely can be used to hook.

Testing

Crafted them and used aganist zeds. They have medicore damage compared to lategame reach bashing weapons, but are faster, thus make kiting easier, and have better stamina to dmg ratio. Overall, solid weapons, especially when confronted with trivial crafting recepies.

Additional context

I hope I understand term "survivor weapon" in the right way. Its not super weapon, but clever usage of existing components to create simple and functional desing.

[Maddremor]

I suggest using another name than "survivor polehammer". The survivor prefix is very ambiguous and tells the player nothing about what the item is.

[SirPendrak]

I suggest using another name than "survivor polehammer". The survivor prefix is very ambiguous and tells the player nothing about what the item is.

Well, I oppened a synonyms dictionary, and there arent any good words. Best I can think of is homemade polehammer and makeshift homemade polehammer

[Kantonine]

YMMV, but i feel that it could be better described using "simple makeshift polehammer" and "makeshift polehammer" for both the weak and durable versions respectively.

[Uwuewsky]

The division into simple and makeshift is a little unintuitive imo; at one time I thought simple was better, although it’s the opposite. simple makeshift is a bit wordy.

It's a little difficult to find an adjective for crap weapon and even crappier weapon, so that they don't sound like interchangeable synonyms, and so that the crafting progression was clear to the player.

It would be nice to have some kind of standard on this matter. Like crude/primitive/improvised for simple makeshift and simple/basic/makeshift for current makeshift.

[Maddremor]

To take a step back: What is the difference between the two items?

[SirPendrak]

To take a step back: What is the difference between the two items?

You can click on commit to see the code. Or click "file changed". Makeshift one is made with long stick and Hammer. Has worse grip, worse ballance, no durable melee. Proper one uses hammer and true spearshaft.

[Maddremor]

I didn't ask about the implementation, but the conceptual difference. Seeing as you are attaching something to be swung sideways, would the simpler construction even stay intact? There doesn't necessarily have to be two polehammers just because there are two knife spears.

[SirPendrak]

I didn't ask about the implementation, but the conceptual difference. Seeing as you are attaching something to be swung sideways, would the simpler construction even stay intact? There doesn't necessarily have to be two polehammers just because there are two knife spears.

Concept is that one version is moderatelly crappy weapon that uses premade tool as base that can be crafted in first hours of cataclysm and second version would be done in few first days of cataclysm using two durable components. As for durability for simpler one, long stick is big, bulky, and is used to craft proper shafts for other true polehammers, so from "fragile melee" and medium durability, i have chosen second.

[Maddremor]

I didn't ask about the implementation, but the conceptual difference. Seeing as you are attaching something to be swung sideways, would the simpler construction even stay intact? There doesn't necessarily have to be two polehammers just because there are two knife spears.

Concept is that one version is moderatelly crappy weapon that uses premade tool as base that can be crafted in first hours of cataclysm and second version would be done in few first days of cataclysm using two durable components. As for durability for simpler one, long stick is big, bulky, and is used to craft proper shafts for other true polehammers, so from "fragile melee" and medium durability, i have chosen second.

Okay, but how are you doing that? I don't see an easy way of attaching a hammerhead like this one to a stick or shaft. What does the hammer equivalent to the tang of a knife look like?

[SirPendrak]

I didn't ask about the implementation, but the conceptual difference. Seeing as you are attaching something to be swung sideways, would the simpler construction even stay intact? There doesn't necessarily have to be two polehammers just because there are two knife spears.

Concept is that one version is moderatelly crappy weapon that uses premade tool as base that can be crafted in first hours of cataclysm and second version would be done in few first days of cataclysm using two durable components. As for durability for simpler one, long stick is big, bulky, and is used to craft proper shafts for other true polehammers, so from "fragile melee" and medium durability, i have chosen second.

Okay, but how are you doing that? I don't see an easy way of attaching a hammerhead like this one to a stick or shaft. What does the hammer equivalent to the tang of a knife look like?

In case of of more modernish hammer with polymer handle and no hole in hammerhead, this simple recipe is impossible. I think arround half of polymerhandle hammers have tang like the one on your picture. But in game we have hammers with wooden handle. And almost all of them have standard hole for mounting, often wider at the top, for more security fit with wedges.

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[SirPendrak]

I had some problem with deciding weapon categories and proficiences. For weapon to be able to use benefits of weapon proficiency, it needs to have weapon category defined ["HOOKING_WEAPONRY", "POLEARMS"], then you can learn proficiency in combat. It also enables you to use martialarts with said weapon (Fior Di Battaglia, Silat etc.). To train proficiency using practice crafting menu, the weapon needs to be included in requirements itemgroups. Requirements itemgroup for polearms states that it is only for "Any basic weapon you can use as a cutting polearm" Polehammer is pure bashing. But it is polearm. Category is only for cutting polearms. And then the recipe for training polearms proficiency also trains stabbing...

[zachary-kaelan]

I would just call the makeshift one "hammer on a stick" and use duct tape or strings like the spike on a stick.

[SirPendrak]

I would just call the makeshift one "hammer on a stick" and use duct tape or strings like the spike on a stick.

Why anybody would try to ducktape hammerhead when you can fit it at least somewhat decently with a little carving

[zachary-kaelan]

Why anybody would try to ducktape hammerhead when you can fit it at least somewhat decently with a little carving

Someone with no fabrication skill isn't going to know how to do that, they're just going to duct tape it.

[kevingranade]

The main reason someone's not going to duct tape a hammer into a pole is it's not going to work. That's going to break very quickly, my only question is if it even survives one hit.