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Better support of Bob's Burner+Steam power phase.
Bob's Burner power phase locks electricity behind technology.
Having a steam powered ore crusher could make fully steam powered early game bases possible.
Additional Information First reported by mexmer on the forums https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=532520#p532520
Steam powered ore crushed is a good idea, i think that is being looked into... but it does not brick a game with the burner ones you get at the start of the game anyway...
After a first test with early game angel+bob with technology overhaul, I see how this is in particular interesting: electric ore crushers are locked behind basic automation, which takes a while to unlock. Having access to steam-powered crushers would make it much easier in the early game, since really ore crushers are the only entity that requires the additional logistics of coal/wood early on.
Just started a full Angel bobs game with tech and component overhaul and Burner power enabled. I noticed in the tech tree that Electricity only requires steam science. While steam power requires steam science and basic data cores while basic logistics and burner powered automation require steam science, basic data cores and grey science. I'm not sure if this was by design or not however I feel that Electricity should be locked behind Basic technology.
Is this the kind of thing that could be implemented by a new contributor? How involved would the change be? I'd have no clue how to balance it but it seems* like just adding a steam powered ore crusher wouldn't be too hard?
Is this the kind of thing that could be implemented by a new contributor? How involved would the change be? I'd have no clue how to balance it but it seems* like just adding a steam powered ore crusher wouldn't be too hard?
Feel free to add a steam powered ore crusher, however, we should 'support' all the steam tech, meaning you should also introduce a steam science pack in angels industries imo... Once you start on it, the ball starts rolling downhill quickly...
Feel free to start on this (use the dev branch). We'll pull it in in a separate branch until it is somewhat substantial. I'm always happy to see others contribute! Feel free to hop on discord to ask questions. Also expect some (or many) tedious feedback comments on things to change, mainly to keep the code base consistent... 👍
@LovelySanta as far as I can tell, Bob's only uses steam science pack for very few technologies. Specifically:
Burner automation Basic logistics (lowest tier splitter and underground) Steam power (boiler, steam powered mining drill + inserter) Steam powered automation Electricity Steam Engine Automation science pack
Then all that is left is (electric) lab, which takes both Steam and Automation science.
Steam-powered ore crusher could either be lumped in with steam power or in it's own technology and I think it would flow nicely even if leaving the rest of the game unchanged. At least, it would not flow much differently than the game currently does :)
Beyond that, what were you suggesting? Adding a steam-power phase to other machines (such as ore sorting)? Or changing the recipe for steam science packs to make them harder?
@LovelySanta as far as I can tell, Bob's only uses steam science pack for very few technologies. Specifically:
Burner automation Basic logistics (lowest tier splitter and underground) Steam power (boiler, steam powered mining drill + inserter) Steam powered automation Electricity Steam Engine Automation science pack
Then all that is left is (electric) lab, which takes both Steam and Automation science.
Yes that is correct, that is the complete burner phase. For that, a steam ore crusher can surely be useful to fully automate everything in steam and/or burner
Steam-powered ore crusher could either be lumped in with steam power or in it's own technology and I think it would flow nicely even if leaving the rest of the game unchanged. At least, it would not flow much differently than the game currently does :)
That is indeed the intention
Beyond that, what were you suggesting? Adding a steam-power phase to other machines (such as ore sorting)? Or changing the recipe for steam science packs to make them harder?
When playing angels industries, there is currently not much support for the steam science pack (equivalent to Grey science analyzer). Thus, when we starting to support the steam area of bob, we should also support all of it in angels industries as well.