(Feature Request): When creator disabled dislikes AND likes, use 100% extension likes/dislikes.

[cyberrrr]

Extension or Userscript?

Both

Request or suggest a new feature!

When a YouTube creator has set their video to hide dislikes AND likes, use a 100% extension likes & dislikes system.

Then, scale up the extension likes and dislikes to the video's views using this formula.

Scaled number of dislikes = Number of extension dislikes * (Number of YouTube views / number of extension views)
Scaled number of likes = Number of extension likes * (Number of YouTube views / number of extension views)

Ways to implement this!

1. Store number of extension views since this is a needed piece of data for the formulas described
2. Make a system for extension dislikes and extension likes for videos where both likes AND dislikes are disabled.

Can you work on this?

• [ ] Yes
• [X] No

[Jonas-Meyer97]

Creators could have valid reasons to disable likes/dislikes, so there is also the point not to implement this feature. Personally, I see this extension as a way to re-enable a feature YouTube disabled for monetary reasons. Creators should still have the free choice to disable likes/dislikes and comments as they please. Just my two cents. Hope to see a discussion on where it makes sense to implement this feature and what the goal of this extension is.

[cyberrrr]

Creators could have valid reasons to disable likes/dislikes, so there is also the point not to implement this feature. Personally, I see this extension as a way to re-enable a feature YouTube disabled for monetary reasons. Creators should still have the free choice to disable likes/dislikes and comments as they please. Just my two cents. Hope to see a discussion on where it makes sense to implement this feature and what the goal of this extension is.

1. Creators now have no reason to disable likes and dislikes because dislikes are completely private. The only reason people would hide likes and dislikes are to hide the dislikes part. YouTube now does this by default so creators posting new videos wouldn't bother with this feature. Nobody would want to hide the likes, tbh.

2. The only reason I've noticed creators disabling likes and dislikes are to hide scams, misleading tutorials or misleading informational videos, apology videos or news outlets posting bs.

Why can't we have the means to let other people know when a video isn't worth watching or the means to figure out what people's opinions on that video that claims they provide free yada yada? Or this tutorial claiming they found the best way to..?

Or what about when news outlets are talking sh!t but they disabled comments?

There are legitimate reasons for disabling comments (hate speech, etc) but likes and dislikes? I might be mistaken and not thinking of the legitimate reasons but I can't see any at all. The likes and dislikes are to communicate a quick metric to other people on the videos legitimacy or usefulness and should always be available.

[avinashjsap]

Using 100% extension likes and dislikes has the following disadvantages

1. First of all, artificially giving a like / dislike count based on your formula is not correct. It would give a wrong impression when a user uses this plugin and sees like and dislike count. Additional attention is needed for the user to figure out if it is an artificial count or legit count even if we visually distinguish them
2. Secondly, counting the number of extension views is hard
3. Thirdly, even if we have a clone of yt's view count algorithm, it would be a biased result based on the number of people who uses the plugin and it will have an impact on the content and its creator's revenue

[SirLich]

I think this is a bad idea, for the reason Craftplorer stated.

Additional attention is needed for the user to figure out if it is an artificial count or legit count even if we visually distinguish them

Regardless of WHAT information we show, I think its vital that we distinguish visually, clearly (and with tooltips) the different information we might show.

Cached dislikes should show different than extension user dislikes.

[nfitzen]

I honestly think the dislike count should be hidden if the like count is hidden as well.

I think it's in the spirit of this extension to essentially bring back the old YouTube system verbatim. But I can see why this might not be a good idea.

That said, the only 2 options (imo) are either a) estimate the likes, too, or b) hide dislikes entirely. Only showing dislikes has a similar problem to only showing likes, i.e., the asymmetry of positive and negative information. As such, only bringing back dislikes when the YouTube channel decided to hide likes as well would go against the spirit of opposition to YouTube's new change.

[UglyDonkey]

I think it's a good idea to hide counts by default and give choice to users if they want to use data from extension by adding some kind of tooltip next to buttons with text like "Hey! Creator tries to hide likes and dislikes but we have data collected from extension users. Do you want to have look at them?" and button "YEP". If user press button then it shows. That interaction should be required every time to make sure that user know what he/she is looking at.

Definitively extension shouldn't show only dislikes because it looks like something is broken. For now count should be hidden. When proper estimation algorithm will be created then it can be shown using solution witch I described above (or maybe someone have even better idea😄)