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Channels stuck for months in closing state

Open dannybabbev opened this issue 6 years ago • 10 comments

I have several channels stuck for months in the following state on my Eclair mobile app: photo_2019-07-25_12-13-35

I have tried changing the phone are restoring the wallet but the funds are still stuck. Could you help me in getting my money out of those channels please?

Here is the raw channel data:

{
 "nodeId": "03984d92cdc95dfc197c190f8d99af095089ce70e00757920a15625919e2f0dab5",
 "channelId": "2cb5a44f0095d2ac2892147c7c73989f49475569fcbf481739d70dbc528b94e8",
 "state": "CLOSING",
 "data": {
  "$type": "fr.acinq.eclair.channel.DATA_CLOSING",
  "commitments": {
   "localParams": {
    "nodeId": "022c713836cb771318eea649eb1f2ed8b7bd53f9dd01f2e519fed04356c995cbca",
    "channelKeyPath": "m/293540430/1766992528'/431366835'/2029640836",
    "dustLimitSatoshis": "546",
    "maxHtlcValueInFlightMsat": "5000000000",
    "channelReserveSatoshis": "15000",
    "htlcMinimumMsat": "1",
    "toSelfDelay": 2016,
    "maxAcceptedHtlcs": 30,
    "isFunder": true,
    "defaultFinalScriptPubKey": "a9146ec607612bccfc200d4b8f6dbb53bc361f427a2387",
    "globalFeatures": "",
    "localFeatures": "02"
   },
   "remoteParams": {
    "nodeId": "03984d92cdc95dfc197c190f8d99af095089ce70e00757920a15625919e2f0dab5",
    "dustLimitSatoshis": "573",
    "maxHtlcValueInFlightMsat": "1485000000",
    "channelReserveSatoshis": "15000",
    "htlcMinimumMsat": "1000",
    "toSelfDelay": 180,
    "maxAcceptedHtlcs": 483,
    "fundingPubKey": "036840b9b67bdcbaed8c2ad071b555f2d447ad76d81285552a8b63d3cdf30cb0c5",
    "revocationBasepoint": "036bb559b61f6d28de4d6c33c420584888de6c86e5b16d8b0d357b30b36f82e2ad",
    "paymentBasepoint": "028a9d70e99bbc9da8649ac48c70ccaa5ea6196a9c4b067fc5fe2bf6b6961ce9e3",
    "delayedPaymentBasepoint": "027809e2796f96f1b0c8b58a513bdeab6e794b8c6b3c9599c8ef91bae1d905406f",
    "htlcBasepoint": "03124a4348f2af612789cb33deb8827852a07e5f51efcd258d0c256e0e1373a5d6",
    "globalFeatures": "",
    "localFeatures": "82"
   },
   "channelFlags": 0,
   "localCommit": {
    "index": "0",
    "spec": {
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     ],
     "feeratePerKw": "45000",
     "toLocalMsat": "1500000000",
     "toRemoteMsat": "0"
    },
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       "txOut": {
        "amount": {
         "$type": "fr.acinq.bitcoin.Satoshi",
         "amount": "1500000"
        },
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      },
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     },
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     ]
    }
   },
   "remoteCommit": {
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    "spec": {
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     ],
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     "toLocalMsat": "0",
     "toRemoteMsat": "1500000000"
    },
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    "remotePerCommitmentPoint": "02894426f31b7e89f232c416ff731cdabe778a0a706dac4a9fc07af6493f297d1a"
   },
   "localChanges": {
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    ],
    "signed": [
     
    ],
    "acked": [
     
    ]
   },
   "remoteChanges": {
    "proposed": [
     
    ],
    "acked": [
     
    ],
    "signed": [
     
    ]
   },
   "localNextHtlcId": "0",
   "remoteNextHtlcId": "0",
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   ],
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   ],
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      "$type": "fr.acinq.bitcoin.Satoshi",
      "amount": "1500000"
     },
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   },
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    ]
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  },
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  ],
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    ],
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    ],
    "claimHtlcDelayedTxs": [
     
    ],
    "irrevocablySpent": [
     
    ]
   }
  ]
 }
}
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"channelId": "4f59f9b836b6b2bbcb5058bf11886af720d2c1f9834e1ea9472e65b2e3a7c954",
"state": "CLOSING",
"data": {
"$type": "fr.acinq.eclair.channel.DATA_CLOSING",
"commitments": {
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"channelKeyPath": "m/584987934'/1711565090'/623685051/793457003",
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"maxHtlcValueInFlightMsat": "5000000000",
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"txOut": {
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"amount": "1100000"
},
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},
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},
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]
}
},
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],
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},
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],
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"id": "17",
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}
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]
},
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],
"acked": [

],
"signed": [

]
},
"localNextHtlcId": "18",
"remoteNextHtlcId": "0",
"originChannels": [
[
"17",
{
"$type": "fr.acinq.eclair.payment.Local",
"id": "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000",
"sender": [

]
}
]
],
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{
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"spec": {
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{
"direction": "IN",
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dannybabbev avatar Jul 25 '19 09:07 dannybabbev

Hi, what's the version of your app? Have you started it recently after a long time?

pm47 avatar Jul 25 '19 09:07 pm47

I have used very old versions of the app, yes.

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dannybabbev avatar Jul 25 '19 09:07 dannybabbev

Ok, but what is the current version? Top right three dot menu > About > Current Version

pm47 avatar Jul 25 '19 09:07 pm47

The current version is 0.4.7

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dannybabbev avatar Jul 25 '19 09:07 dannybabbev

Ok, it may be troubling but none of those channels actually exist: there were issues in the past causing sending of channel funding transactions fail. Recent versions of Eclair Mobile detect that and clean up the zombie channels after a few days. It seems like you have just restarted Eclair after a long time, so you just need to wait a few days and the first two channels will get closed. The third one (in state SYNCING) is stuck because your peer apparently is unresponsive. You should force close it, it will disappear after a few days too.

To double check, you can put your master public key (Menu > Network Info > Master Public Key) in an independent wallet (e.g. Electrum), there won't be any outgoing transactions for these channels.

pm47 avatar Jul 25 '19 09:07 pm47

I was wrong, the first channel is indeed unexisting, but the last two aren't. Let me look a little bit more into it.

pm47 avatar Jul 25 '19 12:07 pm47

Ok so:

  • channel 2cb5a44f0095d2ac2892147c7c73989f49475569fcbf481739d70dbc528b94e8 to node 03984d92cdc95dfc197c190f8d99af095089ce70e00757920a15625919e2f0dab5: zombie channel, should be cleaned up in 5 days
  • channel 4f59f9b836b6b2bbcb5058bf11886af720d2c1f9834e1ea9472e65b2e3a7c954 to node 027070dc64b8850689b52020571d0e3173ba38cc456501ad1b5d994d6063eb0ec8: actual channel, that got closed on feb 13th, got refunded on feb 17th to your address 32GsnjVVzXDDjLC9sryt33JRAEHTWdkKSJ (funds have been spent since). There is a bug that prevents Eclair Mobile from detecting the refund tx and clean up the channel, but apart from that everything is normal and there is nothing to do.
  • channel f6ce019a6caad1c5ff1f5cf9ff824f9210c3efdd52c61f2899338e76d518f09b to node 027070dc64b8850689b52020571d0e3173ba38cc456501ad1b5d994d6063eb0ec8: peer is unresponsive, you should force close the channel and will be refunded for 300000 sat after 144 blocks (~1 day).

pm47 avatar Jul 25 '19 13:07 pm47

Is this still an issue?

maflcko avatar Sep 19 '19 12:09 maflcko

I have a channel in Eclair wallet that I tried to create shortly after the wallet launched on the Mainnet, but I think it never fully opened, and now that I've kept up-to-date on versions (currently using 0.4.9), it still isn't getting cleaned up. In the "Channels" tab, the channel shows a state of "CLOSING (uncooperative), Refund claimable", and clicking into the details about the channel, it shows the "Cause of closing" is "sync error", and a "Refund block height" of "N/A".

@pm47: There is a bug that prevents Eclair Mobile from detecting the refund tx and clean up the channel, but apart from that everything is normal and there is nothing to do.

How can I diagnose if my channel is in that same situation?

The funding transaction ID is not found on any block explorers, so I believe it was never successfully broadcast, but Eclair still thinks it's there. Is there anything I can do to properly close out this old channel (making sure all funds are released or never were locked up in the first place), and get it off my channels list?

MidnightLightning avatar Dec 03 '19 21:12 MidnightLightning

The funding transaction ID is not found on any block explorers, so I believe it was never successfully broadcast

Indeed, this is just a display issue and only affect channels created before a certain date (early 2019 I would say), so you can guess this isn't particularly high priority for us.

It's hard to tell for sure what the exact cause is, given how old your channel seem to be, but it would probably be fixed by something like https://github.com/ACINQ/eclair/pull/1122. We haven't merged this particular PR because we weren't satisfied with it.

Given how low the fees are nowadays, I would recommend closing your other channels, and initializing a brand new wallet and moving your funds to it.

pm47 avatar Dec 04 '19 08:12 pm47