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PLEXTOR - CD-R PX-W2410A does not support D8

Open smesgr9000 opened this issue 1 year ago • 15 comments

I shot myself a CD-R PX-W2410A but the device doesn't seem to support D8.

drive: PLEXTOR - CD-R PX-W2410A (revision level: 1.04, vendor specific: 04/25/02 19:00)

It either generates alot of

SCSI error (SC: CHECK CONDITION, SK: ILLEGAL REQUEST, ASC: INVALID FIELD IN CDB)

with C2 or without C2

SCSI error (SC: CHECK CONDITION, SK: ILLEGAL REQUEST, ASC: ILLEGAL MODE FOR THIS TRACK)

See attachments

it works fine with BE

drive configuration: GENERIC (read offset: +98, C2 shift: 294, pre-gap start: -75, read method: BE, sector order: DATA_C2_SUB)

drive_test.log drive_test1.log

smesgr9000 avatar Jul 31 '24 21:07 smesgr9000

Huh, this is an interesting information but from your log I see that leadin was read and it's read with D8. Can you try to exclude C2 like this: redumper --verbose --overwrite --drive-sector-order=DATA_SUB --image-name=drive_test and see if it works?

superg avatar Jul 31 '24 21:07 superg

Isn't it what drive_test1.log is doing?

You could also combine plextor with BE. But this will yield wrong dumps.

smesgr9000 avatar Aug 01 '24 04:08 smesgr9000

Ah, I haven't checked drive_test1.log. That's weird, it can use D8 to get leadin but cannot to read data. Maybe something else at play here.

superg avatar Aug 01 '24 12:08 superg

sorry took me some time.

I have tested this drive now: Linux - LogiLink AU0028A USB-IDE-Adapter -> same issue Windows 7 - LogiLink AU0028A USB-IDE-Adapter -> same issue Linux - offbrand chinese JMB363 PCIe-IDE-Adapter -> same issue

smesgr9000 avatar Aug 09 '24 15:08 smesgr9000

I have tested this drive now: Linux - LogiLink AU0028A USB-IDE-Adapter -> same issue Windows 7 - LogiLink AU0028A USB-IDE-Adapter -> same issue Linux - offbrand chinese JMB363 PCIe-IDE-Adapter -> same issue

It may be an issue with your USB adaptor, which has caused issues with getting Plextors to work properly in the past.

Deterous avatar Aug 09 '24 15:08 Deterous

the JMB363 is no USB adapter It is as stated a PCIe card

smesgr9000 avatar Aug 09 '24 17:08 smesgr9000

i tried to run the software on my old Sockel 7 system. But couldn't get redumper build on Debian 12/i386. cmake fails at the linker stage with out of memory (even through the build system has 16GB RAM and the linker never uses more than 1.5GB)

btw the AU0028A uses an IS611 which is as far as I know the gold standard for USB-IDE-Adapter.

smesgr9000 avatar Aug 11 '24 15:08 smesgr9000

Doesn't precompiled 32bit version work? I link statically, it should work anywhere.

superg avatar Aug 11 '24 20:08 superg

I can't see any Linux precompiled 32bit versions. Sadly Windows 98/ME is not supported by the Windows 32bit executable. I will try to install NT or XP on this machine if I have some time. Would be nice to know which Windows is the oldest I give a try. This system is from 1998, XP will already be hard to get going. Thus I tried a Linux distro first. Sadly I have no other IDE based system available at the moment.

smesgr9000 avatar Aug 13 '24 18:08 smesgr9000

My bad, I misremember things, I thought that I build 32-bit linux binary, but it's only windows 32-bit build that I do.

superg avatar Aug 13 '24 19:08 superg

The earliest windows you can do is Windows 7 32-bit. Sadly XP will not work.

superg avatar Aug 13 '24 19:08 superg

just keep you updated. I have tested the same usb-adapters with an PX-712A now and D8 is working there.

Still try to build a newer system with ide & W7.

smesgr9000 avatar Aug 30 '24 09:08 smesgr9000

Ultimately I'll acquire that drive here to do some tests and investigate what's going on there. D8 available for lead-in but not available for the main channel is definitely weird, maybe it just requires some special options in SCSI read command.

superg avatar Aug 30 '24 11:08 superg

i could borrow my drive, currently it is no use to me

smesgr9000 avatar Aug 30 '24 13:08 smesgr9000

Yeah thanks for offering that but I don't currently have bandwidth to look into that, still have to complete more important features. I'll keep that in mind.

superg avatar Aug 31 '24 14:08 superg

CD-R PX-W1210A has the same issue. Which drives are actually known to work?

dump_241228_152956_sg0.log

smesgr9000 avatar Dec 28 '24 14:12 smesgr9000

http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Optical_Disc_Drive_Compatibility:_CD W1210A is not on the redump list, only W1210TS is (and it has limitations, not recommended to purchase)

Deterous avatar Dec 28 '24 14:12 Deterous

Regarding W2410A and W1210A (and other plextors from similar generation), they will not dump using 0xD8 opcode for pure CD-ROM discs. These drives support 0xD8 and DATA_SUB_C2 for Audio CDs, and they support 0xD8 and DATA_SUB for mixed mode CDs.

Deterous avatar May 05 '25 01:05 Deterous